The Best Generation

As-Salamu-alekum, Hi.

You know I have seen people disrespect companions of Mohammad. They act so rigorously, and insane towards them. In one hand they claim they love prophet Mohammad, and on the other hand they disrespect his companions who were there to help him in bad times.

Some have great love for Hazrat Ali, but they don’t realize that Ali was one of the companions of Mohammad, though he was also a member of Prophets family. Here is what Allah and Prophet said about the sahabah.

Prophet (Sallallaahu`alaihiwasallam) said: “The best of my nation is my generation then those who follow them and then those who follow them.” (from: Saheeh Bukhaaree)

And for all those Shi’ites and deviants who curse any of the Sahâbah this applys to you… The Prophet (Sallallaahu`alaihiwasallam) said: “Whoever abuses my Companions, upon them is the curse of Allah, the Angles and all the people” (Saheeh, At-Tabaranee)

{Rather, the Prophet and those who believe with him fought with their property and their lives for these are all good things, they are the successful ones and Allah has prepared for them gardens beneath which rivers flow therein forever and that is the great success.} At-Taubah: 88-89

The forerunners those who came first among the Migrators and the Helpers and those who followed them with the best. Allah is pleased with them and they are pleased with Him and Allah has prepared for them gardens beneath which rivers flow therein forever and that is the great success.} At-Taubah: 100

If you still deny the words of God and hadiths of Prophet, I don’t see any good in you.
Bye :slight_smile:

right on..very nicely said

i'd like to see any counter argument to that.

Oh how cute;

Sunnis bringing up made up quotes from their own sunni books and the world should believe them.

Nomaan; you must be a joke. Such a weak argument by Watcher and you think no one can debate it. You must not be knowledgeable in Islam at all.

Now, let me rip to shreds Watcher's childish arguments.

First of all, thanks for pointing out that Shias are deviants. I didn't know that. You sunnis are the ones going to heaven.

Do you feel good and cozy now ?

First of all, why do you limit yrselves to Abu Baker, Umar, Usman, Aisha, and the rest of their crooked companions as sahabahs.

I never hear you sunnis mention the great personalities of Ammar bin Yasser, Miqdad, Abuzer Ghafari, and Salman Farsi. These were the TRUE companions of the holy prophet (pbuh). I will tell you why - because they recognized the wilayat of Imam Ali (as) and opposed the tyrant rules of Abu Baker the thief.

Secondly, the qur'an explicitly tells the prophet (pbuh) that munafiqs were present around the prophet BUT that he was unaware of their intentions.

Pls do tell me if you do not know which verses I am talking about. Since these verses would implicate yr false sahabas, I am sure that you are not.

Simply put, yr sunni imagination that EVERY companion of the prophet (pbuh) was righteous is a result of delusions of grandeur.

CAN YOU CATEGORICALLY STATE that you have in yr possession, a list of all people that u know of that present in the prophet's time that were not munafique ? Ofcourse not, so yr insistence that All companions were good is based only on yr weak hadiths from Bukhari - who himself is a liar and was an agent of the Umayad dictatorship.

And ofcourse, insulting these sham companions is kafir but considering Muwayah and Yazid (Allah's curse be upon them) as great sahabas, who not only waged wars against the holy progeny of the holy prophet (pbuh) and killed his holy grandson, is what you sunnis - following Islam.

Yeah, I can see that the best generation were the onces in the prophet's time. You know:

1) Aisha waging wars with the holy imam (as), enmity against whom is kufar
2) Yazid massacring the holy prophet's (pbuh) progeny.
3) The Umayad rule with all its wars, zinnah, wine drinking and dancing.
4) Your kufaric Abbasid empire with all its whores and dining to please munafiqs like Harun Rashid.

And that quranic ayat stating that Allah (swt) is pleased with the migrants is referring to a certain group of people. Don't pull a rabbit out of yr hat by stating that it means all companions were good. If you do, you will be contradicting other ayats telling the prophet to be aware of munafiqs.

Go to sleep you sunnis - you have no case.

Also pls note the ayat "And those who believed with him...". It does not say "And those who ARE with him..."

This should be obvious that Allah (swt) is referring to those who were righteous. Now how was righteous should be determined by those who have logic.

Ofcourse, with yr sunni theories that every sahabah was righteous defeats this purpose.
Because for you, both the victim and the oppressor is innocent and correct, as long as they were present at the time of the prophet's generation.

Example: Aisha fighting the holy Imam (as). Muyawah fighting Imam Ali (as). Yazid massacring the holy prophet's family.

All were right so long as you sunnis don't have to use any of yr noodle power.

You critize the christians on the Trinity concept - The father, the son, and the holy ghost - and all 3 are one.

Why don't you sunnis come with yr own version - " The victim is righteous, the murderer is righteous, and they are all righteous ".

Go back to sleep once again.

Good night all.

I read just first part of your post and I was disheartened by the way you presented your self.

Can't you argue without making any personal jokes and remarks?

Anyway, I will try to read the rest of it, til next time here is a question for you.

Do you think Ali was companion(sahahba) of prophet just like others?

My answer: He was Prophets companion. As I said in my post, Shias fail to realize that "ali" was also a sahahba, a companion of prophet.
We respect all of the sahahbas, does not matter who they were. The names of Abu bkr and Umar, Usman, Ali and Aisha are mentioned because they were more close to prophet.

If you deny the verses that Allah revealed about the companions of prophet, you should be called daviant. You clearly disrespect the the people who loved prophet more than them selves. You clearly disrespect people who prophet Mohammad loved more than anything.

Moreover, you are clearly disrespecting Allah and his messenger by denying his verses and hadiths of prophet.
What is the good in that?

I never said sunnies are going to heavens. Thats just what you brought up.

Only person that is going to heavens is the person who follows the ways of prophet Mohammad and his sahahba. Only person who is going to heavens is person who respects Allah and his messenger. Only person who is going to heavens is the person who believes everything that is in Quran and lives his or her life according to what is in quran and how prophet lived his life.

You I think need to stop looking at it with "suni - shia" and start looking at it like a Muslim.

Do you believe in the verses that I posted? Do you?

Hazrat Ali(a.s) was a sahaaba as well as part of the ahyl-ul-Bayt ( the direct decendents of the holy prophet of Islam). I also think A11shah should calm down Hazrat Ali in his life never revolted against the First 3 Caliphs or Aysha(she revolted against him) so how can we!
I remember reading Neh-jul-balagha and Hazrat Ali said respect all sahabas of the Holy prophet,Which you are not doing. I just have to say one thing to A11 Shah "Calm down making fun of one is not going show them the right way" explain to them properly.

Well said Fox. I believe, our attitude towards the Sahabah should be that of love, respect, peace and purity of our hearts and tongues. Allah has described this in His saying:
"And those who come after them say: 'Our Lord! Forgive us and our brethren who have preceded us in Faith, and put not in our hearts any hatred against those who have believed." [59:10]

And the Prophet said, "The sign of faith is love of the Ansar and the sign of hypocrisy is the hatred of Ansar" [al-Bukhaaree, Muslim].

Why should we not be thankful to those who believed in the Prophet, assisted him, strove with their lives and wealth to make the Word of Allah supreme, preserved and transmitted to us our Religion? Who is more deserving that we pray for them and speak of them in the best manner and think of them with the best thoughts?

We should therefore mention their virtues and remain silent about any mistakes they made and about anything that occurred between them, as the Prophet advised us: "When my Companions are mentioned then withhold" [Saheeh, at-Tabaranee].

And he also said, "Do not abuse my Companions, for if any of you were to spend gold equal to (mountain of) Uhud in charity, it would not equal a handful of one of them or even half of that" [al-Bukhaaree, Muslim].

And he said, "Whoever abuses my Companions, upon them is the curse of Allah, the angels and all the people" [Saheeh, At-Tabaranee].

Do you deny those verses and hadiths? If so, than tell us, where is the Muslim in you? Muslims do not deny the verses of Allah and hadiths of Mohammad.

if you ask the jews, who were the BEST community of people amongst you, they will say the companions prophet Musa.

if you ask the christians, who were the BEST community of people amongst you, they will say the companions prophet Jesus.

if you ask the shia who were the WORST community of people amongst you, they will say the companions of Muhammad(sallalhu alahi wa sallam)

in this issue the shia are worse than the jews and christians.

To warrior & watcher:

Pls respond to the following 2 cases:

I) A lunatic woman who had committed adultery was brought to Umar. He consulted the people and ordered that she should be stoned.

Could you pls explain why Umar was wrong and who excersized proper Islamic judgement? How could the Caliph & a close companion of Prophet(SAW) err in judgement?

II) Holy Quran. 002.222:
"They question thee (O Muhammad) concerning menstruation. Say: It is an illness, so let women alone at such times and go not in unto them till they are cleansed. And when they have purified themselves, then go in unto them as Allah hath enjoined upon you. Truly Allah loveth those who turn unto Him, and loveth those who have a care for cleanness."

Could you show me the insulting contradictions of this ayat in "your" hadiths recorded by the scholars?

Why do muslims allow such degradations of their faith?

I thank you for your response!

response to faceup,

I) evidence please

II) sorry, I can't. trust me, I tried really hard to find the contradiction.

"Why do muslims allow such degradations of their faith?"

yeah , why do you?

"I thank you for your response"

my pleasure

warrior,

You couldn't identify any of the 2 cases cited?

For someone who "adulate" the sahabas, call wagabiyya abdul wahab - "the Exalted One" but, yet call the prophet(SAW) an ordinary man of the street - all these shows the extent of your ignorance!

What you follow stopped being a faith a long, long time ago; it is pure & simple - a Jahaliyyat!

Theses are only 2 cases cited; there are many cases where the companions erred in their judgement; the sunnah is a cash trove for anti-muslim websites degrading the Prophet(SAW) and Islam. Oh yeah! Bukhari is a revered & enlightened one for you guys!

Let us try again:

Faceup, sir please answer this question:

The verses refering to sahabah in quran asking you to respect them, are you denying those verses???

I posted allots of verses from quran, but clearly you are denying them. Thats jahaliyat, and ignorence.

Jahaliya is when you deny the verses of Allah, and desrespect his messenger by denying his messengers hadiths. Jahliya is when you creat delusive pennings and following something that is not Islamic. Jahliya is when you forget the ways of Mohammad & his compainions and start dividing your self and calling your self right by doing the Un-Islamic things.

You my friend are in jahliya, who is denying every fact from Quran and Hadith.

If you don't believe in Quranic verses and Hadiths of prophets(sayings of Prophet) than clearly you are the one who is mistaken and in deep drouble. If you don't believe something that is true and fact, than it is not our fault that you do not want to believe.
I posted facts from Quran and Books of hadith, regarding the sahabah. If you don't believe in those verses and hadiths, than no way you are a Muslim.

A Muslim is someone, who believes in quran and hadiths of prophet, and obeys what ever Allah or his messenger commands him to.

**Do you deny these & other verses I posted:

"Among the believers are men who have been true to their covenant with Allah and showed not their backs to the disbelievers, of them some have fulfilled their obligations and some of them are still waiting, but they never changed (i.e. they never proved treacherous to their covenant which they concluded with Allah) in the least." [33:23]

"Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and those who are with him (the Companions) are severe against disbelievers, and merciful among themselves. You see them bowing and falling down prostrate (in prayer), seeking Bounty from Allah and (His) Good Pleasure. The mark of them (i.e. of their faith) is on their faces (foreheads) from the traces of (their) prostration (during prayers)." [48:29]**

You keep on talking about "cases cited", where are the evidence from quran or authentice books of hadith? I mean, you can make stuff up and call it right, but you need evidence like I am giving you from Quran and Hadith to prove that disprespecting compainions is wrong.

When you claim something, believe bring your evidence from Quran and/or Authentic books of hadiths, like I am.

Watcher,

1) Show me where I have disrespected the sahabas?

I have posted 1 example where hazrat Umer made a major blunder in judgement that was REMARKABLY against the principles of Quran & Islam! Is this disrespect? Why? Was he a God?
This case rather exemplifies that he was not qualified to be a Caliph !

2) I've also posted an aya from the Quran that has been ridiculed in its respective hadiths by the likes of bukhari & co.

3) Finally, 2 points:
1) Show me where I have disrespected the sahaba - from my post?

2)Secondly, provide answers to the points made; if you are ignorant, then CONSULT your alims! It is highly likely that they R ignorant as well!

Where in my post did I say “YOU” are disrespecting Sahabah?

I must have been refering to shias. You misunderstood sir.

And the Umar case you presented, I personally am not aware of that hadith. Could you please provide the evidence of where did you get that hadith? Please.

I would make remarks on something that, I have knowledge of. Please tell us the name hadith book, where did you get that hadith. Your evidence?

You have not answer my question yet.

I am waiting. Bye.

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[This message has been edited by The Watcher (edited September 25, 2000).]

Excuse me ! You clearly charged that I disrespected the sahabas! Already, you R singing a different tune!

RE: My questions to you about Hazrat Umer and about Hadiths pertaing to the quran aya;
I suggest you do a little Research!

You seem pretty good in copy & pasting materials that R of the "inflame" category; so, you should be good in locating item & details that I 've posted.

Consult your alims!

[This message has been edited by faceup (edited September 25, 2000).]

Well, if you think I did, than its your thinking. I don't think i clearly said "faceup you are disrespecting sahabah."

You posted that hadith, why don't you tell us where you got it from? Or is it made up?
As I said I have no knowledge of this hadith, it would be great if you provide evidence where you got it from.

I posted hadiths, and I gave the books name. Now why don't you do your part...why should i consult my alims when maybe your assumptions do not exist.

READ MY POSTS AGAIN. Please.

[This message has been edited by The Watcher (edited September 25, 2000).]

Do research and consult your alim. Your whole Islamic practise is based on sunnah & hadiths - so, find it!

Watcher,

Let's see if it is the Shias who are follwoing the holy Qur'an or the sunnis. You seem to think that the ahl-sunnat are correct with their un-substantiated beliefs on the righteousness of all sahabahs. Instead let's refer to Allah's book to see what He has informed us of.

But firstly, let's clarify our positions:

1) Sunnis - all sahabahs are righteous and they are the best of the generations.

2) Shias - the righteous sahabahs of the holy prophet (pbuh) were the true believers whom we love and respect, and their abode is in heaven. It is their example that we should follow and avoid the mis-guided companions.

Fair enough. Now let's look at the Qur'an to see if we can be selective of the sahabahs or should we follow them all:

Firstly, lets look at the verse that u presented:

"Muhammad is the Apostle of God; and
those who are with him are firm against
unbelievers, compassionate towards one
another. You see them bowing and
prostrating, seeking grace from God and
His satisfaction ... The mark of
prostration shows on their faces... Allah
has promised those among them who
believe and do righteous deeds
forgiveness, and a great reward." (ch.
48. v. 29)

Thus, the Almighty described the companions of
the Messenger as firm against the unbelievers,
merciful among themselves; and that they bow and
prostrate. The mark of their prostration shows on
their foreheads; and that Allah promised those who
believe and do righteous deeds forgiveness and a
great reward.

All these descriptions substantiate the piety and
virtue of the companions. The verse, however,
does not include all the companions. It only
includes the companions who were firm against the
unbelievers, merciful among themselves.

Thus, the companions who were not firm against
the unbelievers or were unmerciful to the believers
would not be included by the verse.
It would be only logical to say that those who shed
the blood of Muslims without justification in civil
wars such as Talhah, Zubayr, and Mu'awiyah are
not included in this Qur'anic statement, plus all
companions who joined them in their unrighteous
wars against Imam Ali, and those who divided the
Muslims and destroyed their unity.

Furthermore, the end of the verse clearly indicates
that the praise was not to include all the
companions because it declares that only those
who believed in Islam and did good deeds will be
entitled to forgiveness and great rewards.

PLEASE NOTE THE LAST LINES OF THE VERSE: " Allah
has promised those among them who
believe and do righteous deeds
forgiveness, and a great reward." (ch.
48. v. 29)

IF THEY ARE ALL RIGHTEOUS, WHY SAY "ALLAH HAS PROMISED THOSE AMONG THEM (THE COMPANIONS).."

You sunnis need to understand what the Qur'an is actually stating.

Shia scholars do not put all the
companions in one rank; nor do they say that all of
them were righteous. Some of them were righteous
to the highest degree. Some of them were truthful
and worthy of confidence, but they were not
entirely righteous. Some of them were not known to
be righteous or unrighteous, and some of them
were known to be devious.

Qur'anic Verses Support The Selectionists
Shias view that some of the
companions were neither righteous nor in a place of
confidence support their view with a number of
Qur'anic verses:

"And they say: 'obedience'; but when
they leave thee, some of them spend the
night planning other than what they say
to you. Allah records what they plan by
night. Disregard them and put thy trust in
Allah. Allah is Sufficient Trustee." (ch.
4, v. 81)

This verse declares that a number of those who
were residents of Medina were Muslims, and they
prayed with the Prophet and attended his gatherings
and heard the Messenger commanding the Muslims
to do some good deeds. They used to say to the
Prophet: "We heard you and we will obey you;"
but when they left him, they did not obey the
Messenger.

NOW WATCHER, WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO SAY ON THIS VERSE ? DOES IT NOT SAY THAT SOME OF THE COMPANIONS SAID "WE BELIEVE" BUT DID "THINGS OTHER THAN WHAT THEY SAID".

In chapter nine of the Holy Qur'an many
verses indicate that some of the companions
of the Messenger were people of hypocrisy, and
the Messenger did not know their hypocrisy.

"And among those around you of the
wandering Arabs are hypocrites and
among the people of Medina there are
some who persist in hypocrisy whom
thou (0 Muhammad) know not. We
know them and We shall chastise them
twice; then they will be relegated to a
painful doom." (ch. 9, v. 101)

"O Prophet! Combat the disbelievers
and the hypocrites and be hard on them.
Their abode is Hell, a hapless journey's
end. They swear by Allah that they said
nothing (wrong), yet they did say the
word of disbelief. They disbelieved after
they declared their Islam, and they
plotted that which they could not carry
out, and they sought revenge only
because Allah and His Messenger
enriched them of His bounty..." (ch. 9,
v. 73)

"Among them are men who made a
covenant with Allah (saying): If He gives
us of His bounty we will give alms and
become of the righteous. Yet, when He
gave them of His bounty, they hoarded it
and turned away, averse. So He made a
consequence (to be) hypocrisy in their
hearts until the day when they shall meet
Him, because they broke their word to
Allah and because they lied." (ch. 9, vs.
75-77)

We also find in chapter 33, "The Confederates":

"And when the hypocrites, and those in
whose hearts is a disease say 'Allah and
His Messenger promised us nothing but
delusions.' And when a party of them
said: 'Oh folk of Yathrib! there is no
stand possible for you; therefore, go
back.' And some of them even ask
permission of the Prophet, saying: 'Our
homes are exposed to the enemy, and
they lay not exposed.' They only wished
to flee." (ch. 33, vs. 12-13)

The chapter of Al-Munafiqun is a clear evidence
that a number of Muslims (who declared their Islam
at the time of the Prophet, and lived with him in
Medina, and prayed with him, were hypocrites.
They came to the Prophet to defend themselves by
taking an oath in the presence of the Prophet that
they did not betray him, and they were liars.

They
had believed in Islam then deserted it and Allah
sealed their hearts.

"When the hypocrites come to thee (O
Muhammad), they say: 'We bear witness
that thou art indeed Allah's Messenger.
And Allah knows that thou art indeed
His Messenger, and Allah bears witness
that the hypocrites indeed are speaking
falsely. They made their oaths a shield
so that they may turn (men) from the
way of Allah. Verily, evil is that which
they wanted to do. That is because they
believed and then disbelieved; therefore,
their hearts were sealed so that they
understand not.' " (ch. 63, vs. 1-3)

READ THE ABOVE WORSE WATCHER AND TELL ME - DID THESE COMPANIONS NOT SAY "WE BELIEVE" YET ALLAH (SWT) IS TELLING US THAT THEY ARE SPEAKING FALSELY.

These numerous verses which are in many of the
Qur'anic chapters testify clearly that many of the
people who declared Islam during the time of the
Prophet, and who lived and prayed with him, were
hypocrites. What testimony could be bigger than
the testimony of the Qur'an?

These hypocrites were living with the rest of the
companions, and their names were not known.

Therefore, it is impossible to avoid taking hadiths
from them or know how many they were.
Historians, among them Al-Tabari in his History,
part 2, page 504, and Ibn Hisham in his Al-Sirah
Al-Nabawiyyah, part 2, page 64, reported that
when the Messenger went with his army to Uhud,
he had with him one thousand companions. But
Abdullah Ibn Abi Salul left the Prophet and went
back to Medina accompanying three hundred from
the Medinites. Islamic history did not inform us of
the names of any of the three hundred except the
name of their chief, Abdullah Ibn Abi Salul.
Knowing that the situation was so, how can we
avoid taking hadiths from these hypocrites, who
were not separated from the good companions
through any mark of distinction?

It is a matter of sitting down on pondering upon the verses rather than taking ayats without their full implication.

Watcher, I hope that you read what I have written carefully and analyze yr beliefs. Now tell me, do you still believe that all sahabahs were righteous ?

Should we not attempt to find out who were righteous so that we can follow in the examples of the righteous ?

Wa Salam.

And Watcher, let's look at what yr sahih Bukhari and Muslim state:

The Messenger informed the Muslims that many of
his companions will deviate after him. Al-Bukhari in
his Sahih, part 2, page 149, reported that the
Prophet said:

"A number of my companions will come
to drink from the basin. When I
recognize them, they will be taken away
from my sight. I would say: 'My Lord,
these are my companions.' And Allah
will say: 'You do not know what they
innovated after you.' "

The same source, page 150, recorded that Abu
Hazim reported that Sahl Ibn Sa'd reported that the
Prophet said:

"I shall come to the Hawd (basin of water) before
you. Whoever meets me there will drink water. And
whoever drinks of it will never be thirsty
afterwards. Groups will come to me, and I will
recognize them and they will recognize me and they
will be screened from me."

Abu Hazim said:
"Al-Nu'man Ibn Ayyash heard me and said: 'I
testify that Abu Sa'id Al-Khudri said and I heard
him adding to it the following: I will say: "May God
put away from me whoever deviated after me.' "

Similar to this is reported by Muslim in his Sahih,
part 15, pages 53-54. Al-Bukhari reported in the
section of Al-Hawd that Abu Hurayrah reported
that the Messenger of God said:

"On the Day of Judgement a group of
my companions will come to the Hawd
(Basin), and they will be prevented from
drinking out of the basin. I will say: 'My
Lord, these are my companions.' He will
say: 'Certainly you do not know what
they innovated after you. They deserted
their religion.' "

Al-Bukhari reported in his Sahih, part 4, page 169,
that one reporter quoted Ibn Abbas as saying that
the Prophet said:

"You will be resurrected bare footed,
unclothed, and uncircumcised." Then he
read: 'As We started the first creation,
We shall resurrect it, a promise on Our
part. Certainly We shall fulfill it.' "
"Certainly a number of my companions
will be taken to the left side, and I will
say: 'My companions, my companions.'
Allah will say: 'They continued deserting
their faith after you left them.'"
I will say as the good servant of God
(the Messiah) said: "And I was a witness
on them as long as I was with them..."
Muslim in his Sahih, part 10, page 59, reported that
the Messenger of God said: "I will be the first one
to come to the Basin, and I shall be challenged
about some people and I will lose them, then I will
say: 'My Lord, these are my companions; these are
my companions.' I will be told: 'You do not know
what they innovated after you.' "

Muslim in his Sahih, part 10, page 64, recorded
that Anas Ibn Malik reported that the Prophet said:
"Men from among the people who
accompanied me shall come (on the Day
of Judgement) to the Basin. When I see
them and they are brought to me, they
will be taken away from me. I will say:
'My Lord, these are my companions.' It
will be said to me: 'You do not know
what they innovated after you.' "

Now Watcher, yr sahih books, what have you got to say. And do pls try to find these hadiths for yrself, lest you accuse me of making them up. Its all there in yr sahih books which yr molvis try to hide them from you.

Wa Salam