The Beloved Prophet Mohammed (pbuh)

[Med911]

Re: The Beloved Prophet Mohammed (pbuh)

@X2

I disagree, the biggest issues are getting stuck in different interpretations of ritual and dogma and claiming is as the one and only true interpretation regardless of how outlandish it may seem. the essence of the faith is lost, the rights of the people are forgotten, haqooq al ibaad is nowhere in sight, kindness to even animals is not seen. The self declared guardians and standard bearers of the faith are not the best of us, they are by far the worst of us,... bigoted, prejudiced, small minded, blinder wearing, illiterate, uncouth, overbearing, out of touch, uncaring, foul tempered, hate filled thugs that roam around in garb and grooming that they think makes them emulate the prophet..and are the first to destroy property, declare others as non muslims, be disparaging towards minorities, be force behind nonsense rules like blasphemy laws, and ridiculous hudood type laws.....we have forgotten the love of learning....of ilm, of the science and the arts...of literature and of exploration. differing in views about personal characteristics of the prophet or ways to show reverence or respect to him are very low on the list of issues.

I think the most apt description of what ails the ummah is losing the forest for the trees.

[psyah]

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[lethal_kamikaze]

Re: The Beloved Prophet Mohammed (pbuh)

@Med911

I agree with Aahmed. We are taught to not make the mistake of deifying the prophet as the Christians had done, and yet here we are talking about sweat that smelled like incense. This is very close to be blasphemy is it not?

In praise of the prophet and in his defense, the Ummah seems to ignore Islam itself. For example, when the danish cartoon riots took place, and people were out for the blood of the guy who made the cartoon, did they forget that in Islam, one life is equivalent to all of humanity?

How do you rectify the praise and reverence for the prophet and Koranic revelation itself that we should follow Islam and not deify the prophet. Yet people seem very close to doing just that. Where is the line? I acknowledge that Islam and the Prophet are often intertwined, however, there has to be a distinction. At what point does praise and reverence cross the bounds?

Peace med911,

Nobody is talking about deifying the prophet. Just like many other Prophets, Prophet Muhammad was also gifted some qualities by Almighty Allah and we were talking about such God gifted qualities cannot be emulated by any ordinary human.

Keep that danish thingy out of this topic.

[Med911]

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@psyah

No what is absurd is that a god is being declared as being hindered from his human traits, but it is not absurd to say that we recognise Muhammad (SAW) in his prophethood because he came to teach us perfect character and he was indeed to most beautiful person.

We don't worship him (SAW) we marvel at him and then praise Allah (SWT) ...

We marvel at him and are wiling to dehumanize, degrade, murder, torture, and maim in his defense?

[X2]

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@psyah

All of those things you speak of are indeed borne through the proper understanding (of mind and heart) of who Sayyiduna Muhammad (SAW) was ... and what he means to us - or rather what we meant to him ... (SAW)

he was the chosen one, the best of creation, who loved his ummah more than we can imagine a human loving another human. That should be enough, the rest although interesting anecdotes, are not really important.

now if only someone had made a portrait, we would know what he looked like :) ah ha...

whether he had brown hair or lack, wavy or straight, swear smelled like perfume or smelled like sweat, face was a regular human face or shining with light, that does not change the message he brought, and does not change what he would want us to do. we are so far removed from what he would want us to do that the debate on physical characteristics is a diversion at best, a folly otherwise..and thus I am moving on. nothing new for me to add now.

[Med911]

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@lethal_kamikaze

Peace med911,

Nobody is talking about deifying the prophet. Just like many other Prophets, Prophet Muhammad was also gifted some qualities by Almighty Allah and we were talking about such God gifted qualities cannot be emulated by any ordinary human.

Keep that danish thingy out of this topic.

How can we keep the Danish thingy out of this? I mean, if we are going to discuss such issues, then we should discuss things like that swell. At what point is reverence blasphemy?

I find such things unsettling. Such praise is uncomfortable to me, because it stops being about Islam and becomes al about the messenger of Islam.

[lethal_kamikaze]

Re: The Beloved Prophet Mohammed (pbuh)

Peace med911,

All I see from your post that u wanna turn this thread into a fight club. Therefore either u stick to the topic or leave this thread.

[psyah]

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@Med911

I think the most apt description of what ails the ummah is losing the forest for the trees.

Unfortunately you are giving us too much credit :(

There is no desire in people to love RasoolAllah (SAW) in such a way that we put aside our differences ... rather we use a shallow slogan of "we love the prophet" to justify our actions of ill-intent ...

If Love of RasoolAllah (SAW) comes with intent and knowledge then all the things that X2 speaks of and more can be achieved.

[psyah]

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@Med911

Now thats just rude. Queer made a solid point in that reverence to such an extent as to attribute super natural qualities to someone is very similar to Hindu reverence for their deities. You didn’t challenge that point, instead you took a swipe at the Hindu religion. Thats cheap.

I admit I bit back when he prodded …

Apologies to him … but his question was misplaced and he knows better.

[Med911]

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@lethal_kamikaze

Peace med911,

All I see from your post that u wanna turn this thread into a fight club. Therefore either u stick to the topic or leave this thread.

I dont... Im just asking simple questions. If you don't want to answer, then by all means, don't answer. But how strong is you faith if simple questions get you this heated? Perhaps you should be the one to leave the thread.

If the intent of this thread is to just praise praise praise, then have at it. But don't abuse your authority to try and stifle discussion, regardless of how uncomfortable it makes you..
As far as I know, I haven't violated any rules of the forum so you have no right to tell me where I should or should not post.

But then who am I to question the will of the might administrator!

[psyah]

Re: The Beloved Prophet Mohammed (pbuh)

@Med911

We marvel at him and are wiling to dehumanize, degrade, murder, torture, and maim in his defense?

When we love him (SAW) we make a step closer to where we need to be ... Many of us are caught out by Shaitan's trick ... that we let that love become our weakness rather than our strength ... and by seeing the madness the rest of us think it is better to not think about Muhammad (SAW) with such love in case we go crazy too ... But the reality is different ... We do not love RasoolAllah (SAW) properly if we do those things.

[queer]

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@lethal_kamikaze

Peace queer,

I didn't get you. Could u plz tell how it's sounding like hinduism?

in hinduism as well as most polytheistic faiths, superhuman attributes are prescribed to certain people/creatures/gods. and that seems very much what psyah claims - seeing behind head, sweating perfume.

[Med911]

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@psyah

Unfortunately you are giving us too much credit :(

There is no desire in people to love RasoolAllah (SAW) in such a way that we put aside our differences ... rather we use a shallow slogan of "we love the prophet" to justify our actions of ill-intent ...

If Love of RasoolAllah (SAW) comes with intent and knowledge then all the things that X2 speaks of and more can be achieved.

I simply mean that we forget the over all message and focus on the minutia.

But I think you are referring to something deeper when referring to Love in this context.

[psyah]

Re: The Beloved Prophet Mohammed (pbuh)

@X2

he was the chosen one, the best of creation, who loved his ummah more than we can imagine a human loving another human. That should be enough, the rest although interesting anecdotes, are not really important.

now if only someone had made a portrait, we would know what he looked like :) ah ha...

whether he had brown hair or lack, wavy or straight, swear smelled like perfume or smelled like sweat, face was a regular human face or shining with light, that does not change the message he brought, and does not change what he would want us to do. we are so far removed from what he would want us to do that the debate on physical characteristics is a diversion at best, a folly otherwise..and thus I am moving on. nothing new for me to add now.

His (SAW) beauty and his (SAW) miraculous nature and perfect example in character and conduct is all part of him (SAW) ... He (SAW) is the conduit of how the whole ummah received Islam ... Is he not deserving of durood? Do we not send durood out of love for him?

I had spent many years in a salafied mindset and felt that something was missing from me ... Then I found "love" ...

[psyah]

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@queer

in hinduism as well as most polytheistic faiths, superhuman attributes are prescribed to certain people/creatures/gods. and that seems very much what psyah claims - seeing behind head, sweating perfume.

Rather polytheistic faiths have accounts of agents from Allah (SWT) who were later seen by the people as fit for worship ... Muslims don't make those errors with RasoolAllah (SAW) ... our tawheed is water tight.

[lethal_kamikaze]

Re: The Beloved Prophet Mohammed (pbuh)

@Med911

I dont... Im just asking simple questions. If you don't want to answer, then by all means, don't answer. But how strong is you faith if simple questions get you this heated? Perhaps you should be the one to leave the thread.

If the intent of this thread is to just praise praise praise, then have at it. But don't abuse your authority to try and stifle discussion, regardless of how uncomfortable it makes you.. As far as I know, I haven't violated any rules of the forum so you have no right to tell me where I should or should not post.

But then who am I to question the will of the might administrator!

Peace med911,

You r welcome to open a separate thread about 'Danish cartoons' or with whatever title. We are talking about what we think and how do we see not what other did and how other reacted.

@queer

in hinduism as well as most polytheistic faiths, superhuman attributes are prescribed to certain people/creatures/gods. and that seems very much what psyah claims - seeing behind head, sweating perfume.

Peace queer,

As psyah bhai said earlier. Such attributes we hear from different sources but in those sources, nowhere He (PBUH) attributed as 'superhuman'. What I wanna say maybe that would be seen/attributed in hinduism as superhuman but in religion of Islam, we call is most beloved person among all other not as superhuman.

[psyah]

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The most complete description of the Prophet (peace be upon him) is the one that was given by Umm Ma`bad, as related to us in the hadîth of Hubaysh b. Khâlid.

When the Prophet (peace be upon him) emigrated from Mecca to Madînah, he passed by the tent of Umm Ma`bad. She witnessed some of his miracles, then swore fealty to him in Islam before he departed.

When her husband came back, he was surprised to find with her a quantity of milk.

He asked her: “Where you have got this from, O Umm Ma`bad, while our sheep is alone and untouched and we have no milk cow in our home?”

She said: “Nay, but by Allah, a blessed man passed by our way and did so and so.”

He said: “Describe him to me, O Umm Ma`bad.”

She said: “I saw a man who is handsome, of glowing countenance, and of good proportions, with neither a large stomach nor a small head. He is smart of appearance, with balanced features, deep black eyes, and long eyelashes. His voice is not coarse. He has a long neck, a full rounded beard, and thick eyebrows that meet each other. When he is silent, he is stately and composed, and when he speaks, his appearance is impressive.

“He is the most beautiful and striking man from a distance and the best and most beautiful from close up. He is well spoken, clear in what he says, saying neither too much nor too little, his words flowing forth like a perfect string of pearls.

“He is neither too tall nor overly short, a stately man in the company of two other stately men, and he is the most prominent among them and the most well-respected.

“He has companions who surround him. If he speaks, they listen to him, and if he commands, they hasten to fulfill his command. He is well served and attended, though he is neither stern nor argumentative.”

This hadîth is related by al-Hâkim in al-Mustadrak (3/9-10), al-Tabarânî in al-Mujam al-Kabîr (3605), Abû Nuaym in Dalâ’il al-Nubuwwah (282-278), and al-Lâlikâ’î in I`tiqâd Ahl al-Sunnah (1434-1437).

There are other narrations that support this hadîth, like the one narrated by Jâbir which is related by al-Bazzâr (Kashf al-Astâr: 1742) and the hadîth of Abû Mabad al-Khuzâî, related by al-Bayhaqî as mentioned by Ibn Khathîr in al-Sîrah (2/258 and 262) and Ibn Sa`d in al-Tabaqât (1/230-233).

There is one more supporting narration mentioned by al-Bayhaqî in his Dalâ’il al-Nubuwwah (2/491).

By taking into consideration all of its chains of transmission, this hadîth can be graded as being a good hadîth.

Sheikh `Aqîl b. Muhammad b. Zayd al-Maqtarî

[X2]

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@psyah

His (SAW) beauty and his (SAW) miraculous nature and perfect example in character and conduct is all part of him (SAW) ... He (SAW) is the conduit of how the whole ummah received Islam ... Is he not deserving of durood? Do we not send durood out of love for him?

I had spent many years in a salafied mindset and felt that something was missing from me ... Then I found "love" ...

salafied, barelvied, hanafied, minds..what are they? why do they even matter.

different ppl can show their devotion to the prophet in different ways and thats all cool. I have no issue with someone believing that the prophet's sweat smelled like perfume, nor do I have a beef with someone who does not attribute such characteristics to him. and it has nothing to do with durood...is my durood less or more importanr or valid if i think his sweat was like perfume or not? and if it is not then it is immaterial. and thus going around in circles about it is immaterial.

There are few things regarding devotion that bother me, and those are the ones where ppl chose to exercise their devotion in a way that impacts my life..have not experienced any in ages, the after sehri amateur hour with naat at one local masjid in karachi was one such example. all night eid milad un nabi sessions blocking roads and with loudspeakers were another...its like dude...u guys want to get in a tent and sing and dance and whatever with the mini-mes with patakhas and all outside..thats fine...can u just do it in a tent and not use loudspeakers and mics. other than that I really dont care what someone chooses to believe as long as it is not hurting others.

[psyah]

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:rotato: :rotato: :rotato: I’m in love - SubhanAllah - The prophet Muhammad (SAW) is the Mercy of Allah (SWT).

[psyah]

Re: The Beloved Prophet Mohammed (pbuh)

@X2

salafied, barelvied, hanafied, minds..what are they? why do they even matter.

different ppl can show their devotion to the prophet in different ways and thats all cool. I have no issue with someone believing that the prophet's sweat smelled like perfume, nor do I have a beef with someone who does not attribute such characteristics to him. and it has nothing to do with durood...is my durood less or more importanr or valid if i think his sweat was like perfume or not? and if it is not then it is immaterial. and thus going around in circles about it is immaterial.

There are few things regarding devotion that bother me, and those are the ones where ppl chose to exercise their devotion in a way that impacts my life..have not experienced any in ages, the after sehri amateur hour with naat at one local masjid in karachi was one such example. all night eid milad un nabi sessions blocking roads and with loudspeakers were another...its like dude...u guys want to get in a tent and sing and dance and whatever with the mini-mes with patakhas and all outside..thats fine...can u just do it in a tent and not use loudspeakers and mics. other than that I really dont care what someone chooses to believe as long as it is not hurting others.

I was caught between Iman and Islam - Focussing on 'Aqeedah and Shari'ah ... and Ihsan puzzled me ... but then I saw Tariqah ... Excellence is achieved through a sense of sacrifice - and that sacrifice will never occur until a person loves the prophet more than he loves himself ... I didn't understand it until I started to sit with people of tassuwwuf.

I'm afraid your bad experiences have somewhat affected how you view this whole thing ... I don't blame you brother ... but I also see the immense honour you give RasoolAllah (SAW) too.