The Beliefs of the Shi'ites about the Present Quran

Sahih al-Bukhari Hadith: 6. 60:
-------

 Narrated Ibn Az-Zubair:

I said to 'Uthman, "This Verse which is in Surat-al-Baqara:
"Those of you who die and leave widows behind...without turning them out." has been abrogated by another Verse. Why then do you write it (in the Quran)?" 'Uthman said. "Leave it (where it is), O the son of
my brother, for I will not shift anything of it (i.e. the Quran) from its original position."

If the mentioned verse which is alleged to be in Quran as Sahih al-Bukhari claims, are abrogated, then why are they missing in the Quran? More over, how can something become abrogated after the death of Prophet?

Sahih Muslim has recorded (I am trying to find the page and reference number)that Hazrat Aisha (r.a)said that the Quranic verse enjoining stoning for adultery was written on a leaf, but the leaf was accidentally eaten by a goat while the Prophet Muhammad was on his
death-bed, and thus the verse was lost.

Sahih Muslim reported in the book of nursing ( al-Ridha ), v10 pages 29 (Arabic), that Hazrat Aisha(r.a) said the following :

 There was in what was revealed in the Quran that ten ( 10 ) times of nursing known with certainty makes the nursing woman a mother of the nursed child. This number of nursing would make the woman'Haram' to the child. Then this verse was replaced by ' five ( 5 ) known nursing ' to make the woman forbidden to the child. The Prophet died while these words were recorded and read in the Quran.

http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smilies/hehe.gif

easy on them yaaar..
Well I respect alot of sunni guppies here thas why I avoided pointing out some “interesting” material on Bukhari and more but you have done it hello hello..lets see how they take it

http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smilies/wink.gif

taste of their own medicine…

Since we sunnis would dismiss any hadiths that showed that the qur'an was incomplete - even if it came out of our own sahih books - in the same way, we should also not accuse our shia brothers of believing in the incompleteness of the qura'n just because they may have some weak hadiths in their books.

In the end, any hadith that goes contrary to the qur'an must be rejected, whether they are shia or sunni hadiths.

This will resolve much of the issue.


A Wizard arrives neither early nor late, but precisely when he chooses to

Exactly..right on the money..

http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smilies/ok.gif

unfortunately some “dheets” will still have hard time to comprehende’ pata nahee kis mitti kay banay huay hein..

[quote]
Since we sunnis would dismiss any hadiths that showed that the qur'an was incomplete - even if it came out of our own sahih books
[/quote]

WhOA WHOA.. it's not as easy as just tossing something aside.. it's a matter of reliability and integrity and that 'scientific research'..

Who narrated wrong? where did the chain of communication break down? Why didn't Bukhari catch it? was Umar wrong? were the people who heard him mistaken? or everything was just a fabrication.. (most likely).

It's not as simple as washing your hands off the contradictions in the 'Sahih' Books.. it's an eye opener to the followers of such Books who override the Qur'an and uphold these narrations.

*Hazrat Umar [reportedly] Said Chapter 33 Is Incomplete:

al-Muttaqi Ali Ibn Husam al-Din in his book ( Mukhtasar Kanz al-Ummal,
printed on the margin of Imam Ahmed’s Musnad, v2, p2 ) in his Hadith about
chapter 33, that said Ibn Mardawayh
reported that Huthaifah said:

Umar said to me : How many verses are contained in the Chapter al-Ahzab ? I said 72 ( seventy two ) or 73 ( seventy three ) verses. He said : It was almost as long as the chapter of the Cow, which contains 287 ( two eighty seven ) verses, and
in it there was the verse of stoning.
*

[li] Where does it say chapter 33 is incomplete? Not knowing how many verses a chapter has, is considered “incomplete” to you? What a pathetic attempt to use conjectures in order to prove that sunni books claim that quran is not complete! But at the same time ignore the plight of your own shia books which say it clearly that it is incomplete![/li]

*Sahih al-Bukhari Hadith: 6.514:

Narrated 'Hazrat Umar bin al-Khattab:

I heard Hisham bin Hakim reciting Surat al-Furqan during the lifetime of Allah’s Apostle and I listened to his recitation and noticed that he recited in several different ways which Allah’s Apostle had not taught me. I was about to jump over him during his prayer, but I controlled my temper, and when he had completed his prayer, I put his upper garment around his neck and seized him by it and said, “Who taught you this Surah which I heard you reciting?” He replied, “Allah’s Apostle taught it to me.” I said, “You have told a lie, for Allah’s Apostle has taught it to me in a different way from yours.” So I dragged him to Allah’s Apostle and said (to Allah’s Apostle),

“I heard this person reciting Surat al-Furqan in a way which you haven’t taught me!” On that Allah’s Apostle said, “Release him, (O’Umar!) Recite, O Hisham!” Then he recited in the same way as I heard him reciting. Then Allah’s Apostle said, “It was revealed in this way,” and added, “Recite, O 'Umar!” I recited it as he had taught me.
Allah’s Apostle then said, “It was revealed in this way. This Quran has been revealed to be recited in seven different ways, so recite of it whichever (way) is easier for you (or read as much of it as may be easy for you).”*

[li]This hadith only talks about “reciting” a surah in different way, nothing about incompleteness! Trying very hard, aren’t we?[/li]
http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smilies/hehe.gif

Sahih Muslim has recorded (I am trying to find the page and reference number)that Hazrat Aisha (r.a)said that the Quranic verse enjoining stoning for adultery was written on a leaf, but the leaf was accidentally eaten by a goat while the Prophet Muhammad was on his
death-bed, and thus the verse was lost.

[li]HAaa!! This should be what Sadia was looking for, but from Shia books. You ACTUALLY think, that Allah would do this to Quran? You actually, believe that allah would contradict himself and say in one verse that quran is complete, islam is complete and than have a GOAT eat some verses? GIVE ME A MAJOR BREAK PLEASE! Yeah, please give us page #s and other references…[/li]
Apparently, you don’t know much about abrogation of verse in the Quran. http://63.175.194.25/index.php?ln=eng&ds=qa&lv=browse&QR=839&dgn=3

Sahih Muslim reported in the book of nursing ( al-Ridha ), v10 pages 29 (Arabic), that Hazrat Aisha(r.a) said the following :
There was in what was revealed in the Quran that ten ( 10 ) times of nursing known with certainty makes the nursing woman a mother of the nursed child. This number of nursing would make the woman’Haram’ to the child. Then this verse was replaced by ’ five ( 5 ) known nursing ’ to make the woman forbidden to the child. The Prophet died while these words were recorded and read in the Quran.

[li] I could not find this hadith. Is this your source? http://www.al-islam.org/underattack/1.htm[/li]
http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smilies/hehe.gif

http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smilies/biggrin.gif

No need to copy paste any more… we get it where these hadiths are coming from.


AND WHEN IT IS SAID TO THEM: “DO NOT MAKE MISCHIEF ON THE EARTH”, THEY SAY “WE ARE ONLY PEACE-MAKERS” VERILY, THEY ARE THE ONES WHO MAKES MISCHIEF, BUT THEY PERCEIVE NOT"-[Qur’an-2:11-12]

If you want to quote from Sahi Muslim or Bukhari use these sites, not anti-sunni sites:

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/reference/reference.html

If you can find “the book of nursing” in there, let us know.

http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smilies/biggrin.gif

The hadith concering “goat ate the quran verse” does not exist in sahi Muslim. What a lame attempt by desperate shia… sad sad sad.

[This message has been edited by Serial Guppy (edited May 03, 2002).]

.

[This message has been edited by Sadiaa (edited May 03, 2002).]

.

sophi, so you are 27 years old never heard of this... this... one can not really blame you for your dilemma. it is the duty of a true muslim to find out as much as they can about their religion and act on their own sensibilities rather than jumping on the bandwagon. i would urge all non ehle sunna people to look into the truth and decide if this is what they want.

The Hadith is clear that from the 73 difference sects, only one will be successful and will go to Jannah. That is the Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jamaa' (those that follow the laws of Allah according to the method shown by Rasulullah (SAW) and his illustrious Sahaaba). and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best - Mufti Ebrahim Desai FATWA DEPT.
(Hanafi - Ehle Sunnah)

it is ok for you to ignore this message but think life is so short the afterlife is eternal, for the sake of your disbelief and pride, is it worth it?