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Originally posted by sophi:
saadia, do you really believe every thing u're told.and no there is no such tell-e tale about a goat eating The Holy Quran.
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SURE - THERE IS!
Saadia is referring to the aya on RAJM or Stoning to death for adultery. There is a Hadeeth which says that there was INDEED an ayath for RAJM but was eaten by the household goat that is why it DOESn't EXIST in the quran.
Post the hadith with complete references, othewise shutup.
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Originally posted by sophi:
** and i think you are a hired hand of sipa-e-sahaba of pakistan .**
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And, you ??? You belong to Tahreek-e-Ja'fari ?? Or the Terrorist Shiite Iranian government which was founded by Khomeini (La'nat Allah 'Alaih), the Terrorist.
Danial posted some quotes ** with references. ** Does that make him a member of the Sipaah-e-Sahaaba ??
Assalam-o-alikum...
allrite, lets just 4get what danniyal said in his post...
I can just tell u my own witnessed incident.
Once i was at my teachers place, in a building.. when we were sitting there, studying few children came in and told the teacher that their elders have made a portrait of Hazrat ALI at the top of building, and they are showing it to other ppl...
I was shocked.. and i still wonder whats the point in making portrait of Hazrat ALI(RAZ)..????
can anyone explain ?
and pls, its an eye witnessed incident..
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FlameZz
And, why shouldn't they?
'Ali is CENTRAL to shia faith
much like
BUKHARI & his hadeeths are to yours.
Do not make up stuff . The Qur’an and Sunnah are fundamental to our faith.
One thing I’ve noticed that whenever people try to defend Shiism, they usually resort to lying and deception, and many a time, also come down to attacking mainstream Islam with lies.
I wonder why people have to do that to defend an anti-Islamic group??
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Originally posted by Adbulmalick:
**FlameZz
And, why shouldn't they?
'Ali is CENTRAL to shia faith
much like
BUKHARI & his hadeeths are to yours.
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Center of our faith are:
QURAN
and then
SUNNAH(way, example) of the prophet.
Get your facts right before uttering nonsense!
All muslims follow the sunnah in one way, shape or form.
DIFFERENCE
You all FOLLOW the sunnah of Bukhari that BLASPHEMES the prophet.
The PENALTY for BLASPHEMY, under Islam, is DEATH.
Put yourselves to death - please!
All muslims follow the sunnah in one way, shape or form.
ALL MUSLIMS FOLLOW QURAN AND SUNNAH of the prophet, as I said: Get your facts straighten out first!
**DIFFERENCE*
You all FOLLOW the sunnah of Bukhari that BLASPHEMES the prophet.*
PROVE IT! Otherwise, stop it with your lies and slanderous nonsense!
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from SERIAL
ALL MUSLIMS FOLLOW QURAN AND SUNNAH of the prophet, as I said: Get your facts straighten out first!
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Say Serial! If you did not like what I said earlier then you probably will not like the following either and that's too bad:
QUESTION:
The fiqh that you belong to - Is it based on quran or sunnah?
Are you an AHLE Sunnah(4 sunni Fiqhs) or AHLE Hadeeth(Wahabi/Salafis)?
The Four Sunni Fiqhs & the wahabi practise are based on the sunnah (hadeeths) and NOT the Quran.
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PROVE IT! Otherwise, stop it with your lies and slanderous nonsense!
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Are you sure you wanna know?
How many of the readers here are aware of the TABLOID & RACY version of their hadeeths that have been attributed to the Prophet?
Do they not SLANDER the prophet?
daniyal.. enuff spreading fase stuff..read this authentic hadith coming from a shia and yeah khoon-e-whatever if you still dun accept this then its your ignorance...God help you..
the greatest scholar of Shia in Hadith, Abu Jafar Muhammad Ibn Ali Ibn al-Husain Ibn
Babwayh, known as "Shaykh Saduq" (309/919-381/991), wrote:
"Our belief is that the Quran which Allah revealed to His Prophet Muhammad is (the same as) the one between the two covers (daffatayn).And it is the one which is in the hands of the people, and is not greater in extent than that. The number of surahs as generally accepted is one hundred and fourteen ...And he who asserts that we say that it is greater in extent than that, is a liar."
Shi'i reference: Shi'ite Creed (al-I'tiqadat al-Imamiyyah), by Shaykh Saduq, English version, p77.
Another prominent Shia scholar is Allama Muhammad Ridha Mudhaffar who wrote
in his Shia Creed book that:
"We believe that the Holy Quran is revealed by Allah through the Holy Prophet of Islam dealing with every thing which is necessary for the guidance of mankind. It is an everlasting miracle of the Holy Prophet
the like of which can not be produced by human mind. It excels in its eloquence, clarity, truth and knowledge. This Divine Book has not been tampered with by any one. This Holy Book which we recite today is the
same Holy Quran which was revealed to the Holy Prophet. Any one who claims it to be otherwise is an evil-doer, a mere sophist, or else he is sadly mistaken. All of those who have this line of thinking have gone astray as Allah in Quran said: "Falsehood can not reach the Quran from any direction (41:42)"
common sense guys
Almighty Allah mentioned in the Holy Quran about its protection and why do you think we gonna reject HIS words?
I haven't gone thru every shia books but whatever that contradicts the quran should be discarded. There is a possibility of a "weak" tradition and could contradict the Quran but it doesnt mean those weak tradtions (which many guppies seems to get excited when they see it from a X rated site) justify our belief..
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This is the hundereth time you used this word “taqqiyah”..Please spare me with the copy pasting , just tell me in simple english the meaning of taqiyyah?
I just wanna see what do you say about it?
Sherrybaba: Jazakallah khair!
Daniyal, Why dont you post (sorry, change that to copy/paste post) something about what allah does to people who spread lies against his servants?
And Sherry
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Keep it up.
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I wont argue with narrow minded people anymore (2 years in a long time to keep repating the same things over and over gaain). I’ll only bestow my pity and hope that allah shows them some light. You can do all the explaining and clreaing of doubts. I officially resign…
hey i don’t know which sophi u’re mixing me up with!!!
Hey Shah Jehan
I aint spreading nothing, everything that I came across has its references from Shia books and other sources, just because you guys can't handle this is no concern of mine!
...and like sherry baba said with quotations, that anything that goes against the Qur'an is to be discarded simple as that. So while you might come up with a hundred refrences THEY CANNOT SUPERCEDE THE QUR'AN. Good Job Sherry baba!
Really?
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and how am I supposed to belive that these books are true? How can I be totally sure that they are authentic?
To me, all these books are fabrications and false (unless you pull a leaf from Ismaili sources which say the quran is incomplete). The loaning of Virgins?! please! give me a break! Like I ( and any other sane human) would beleive that!
And I would like to know where You come aross this stuff. Is it from a shia site or a sunni one?
You know what Daniyal, I’m converting to Sunnism. And then I will write a book about all of Abu Hurairas hadeeth. I will fill it with lies and claim abu huraira said it on the authority of the prophet. Would you belive me? I think not. That works both ways my friend. And I dont belive in a single word of that whole passage…
Shah bhai..dun waste your time on daniyal, his limited knowlege and understanding was exposed as soon he blindingly copy and pasted some of the most irrelevant materials.
He didnt come here to learn , he came here to cause commotions
Nice to see ppl like sadia and mufakker understanding our belief on the completion of Quran with open mindednes.
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