**الْحَمْدُ لِلَّهِ الَّذِي هَدَانَا لِهَٰذَا وَمَا كُنَّا لِنَهْتَدِيَ لَوْلَا أَنْ هَدَانَا اللَّهُ ۖ لَقَدْ جَاءَتْ رُسُلُ رَبِّنَا بِالْحَقِّ
“Praise to Allah, who has guided us to this; and we would never have been guided if Allah had not guided us. Certainly the messengers of our Lord had come with the truth.”
Surah 7 Ayat 43 @Hakuna_Matata and @SID_NY
Kia kr rhe ho aap log? Na in logon ne aapki daleel manni hai aur na ye manney k liye ye sb kr rhe hain…
Actually ye khud bht confused hain, bechain hain…tou asal maqsad sirf confusion phelana hai, yun samjh lein k ye apni confusion ki tableegh kr rhe hain…
Aap ka faith strong ho sakta hai lekin sb ka nae…tou shikar krne k liye ye sb hai aur kch nae…
Hamein Quran mein aese jagah jane se mana kiya gya hai jahan Allah aur uski ayaat k sath kufr aur istehza (tamaskhur/mazaq) kiya jata ho, warna hum b un mein se ho jaein gey ki warning b di gaei hai…
So best yehi hai k in ko reply na kiya jaey, khud hi khali dewaron pe takrein maarne di jaein…apna serr khud phorein jo marzi krein ye inka masla hai hamara nae…
Agr ye kahein k ye mante hain k Allah hai tb bhi ye jhootey hain, ye sirf makkari hoti hai taa k baat start ki ja sakey…
Aur dusri cheez, baat krne ka faida hi koi nae q k ye inteha darjey k bad ikhlaq aur badtameez rude hon gey…OP k kch posts me ne check kiye relationships k thread mein, us mein jis trh se Pyarey Nabi Muhammad :saw2: ka jis trh naaam br br liya hai us trh rudely tou ye apne father ka naam b nae lete hon gey…
So it should b full stop coz inho ne jo b baat krni hai wo gustakhi hogi and hamara faith uski ijazat nae deta…
Yes, jo post rules k khilaf ho, usey zarur remove krein aur us user ko banned b krein…
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[RIGHT]ہم جس سائنس اور علم کے زمانے میں رہ رہے ہیں۔ اور ابلاغ کے جو زرائع میسر ہیں۔ اب مذہب پر تنقید کو کوئی نہیں روک سکتا۔ عقل سے پرکھنے والے طاقت ور ہورہے ہیں۔ وہ دیکھ رہے ہیں،آج اور آنے والا دور ان کا ہے۔ طاقت وراورناقابل تردید سائنسی علم ان کی پشت پرکھڑا ہے۔ جہاں اسلامی مذہب کا فکری غلبہ ہوگا، منطقی لحاظ سے تنقید اسلامی مذہب پر ہی ہوگی۔ اسی طرح ہندو معاشروں یا کرسچن معاشروں میں تنقید ہندومت اور عیسائیت پر کی جاتی ہے۔ دوسری اہم بات اسلام ایک سیاسی مذہب ہے۔ اسلام میں مداخلت، جارحیت اور شدت پسندی کے عناصرابھرکر سامنے آتے ہیں۔ یہ ’ دوسرے ’ کوتسلیم اورشریک ہی نہیں کرتا۔ دنیا اس کی جارحیت اور شدت پسندی سے تنگ آئی ہیں۔ سرتن سے جدا سے کم مسلم بات نہیں کرتے۔ ظاہر ہے، ابلاغ کے جدید زرائع نے آزادی فکر کو نئی منزلوں سے آشنا کیا ہے۔ لوگ تو بولیں گے۔ اب مذاہب پر اٹھی انگلی کو کوئی نہیں روک سکتا۔ چنانچہ اسے برداشت کرنا چاہئے۔ اور علمی سطح پر جواب دینا ہوگا۔ اورخود کو نئی اقدارسے ہم آہنگ بھی، سرتن سے جدا کی دھمکیاں دے کر مذہب کو جبری زندہ رکھنے کی کوشش نہ کی جائے۔ تنقید اورجگ ہنسائی مزید بڑھ جائے گی۔[/RIGHT]
thanks for replying, I thought you wont reply this time..
so this is the best logical answer you came up with for my dumb*** question?? and still believing it’s a FACT..
before I answer.. I must tell you that when “hypothesis and theories are accepted by scientists unanimously only then it becomes a Fact”..
now my dumb*** answer to your provided link..
Dr. Carl Woese who discovered third domain of life “Archaea” and is a very important evolutionary biologist says, “Life is a web, it’s not a tree of life”.. and he goes against Darwinism saying “He believes in Neo Lemark’s Theory Of Evolution”..
Dr. Richard Dawkins of Oxford University who also believes in Lemark’s says, “We must acknowledge the possibility that new Facts may come to light which will force our successors of the twenty-first century to abandon Darwan’s theory and modify it beyond recognition”..
Dr. Henry and Dr. Michael Roos says, “There are wholes and discrepencies in Darwin’s theory”..
Hence proved, that wasnt a dumb*** question.. but this aint a point.. the point I observed is you hate religion, and thinks it’s an old school.. and you even started to hate me I guess, or atleast behaving badly because of the difference in opinion.. this is what science teach you to do?? Science teaches you to use words like Dumb— and Laughing your ------- — —?? I never saw any science student doing this.. they are so patient in behaving and listening to others.. think about it too..
awww my brother :hug: ok sorry.. I wont reply to them anymore..
first of all thanks for this answer.. we should pray that may ALLAH bless us all with righteous path and protect us from shaiyateen.. amen..
and secondly I wasnt answering for them.. they dont worth my reply.. I am answering for Muslims who have great Faith in ALLAH.. so that they know that what is right.. :flowers:
this whole debate is weird. Quran is NOT a book of science, it is a book of signs and presents them in its own way. Quran doesn’t tell us that scientific facts have been stated herein and you should hold on to them with your eyes closed. It implores its readers to explore and observe the world around us, moon and stars etc. I can quote the verses if you are interested.
if you say that followers of Islam/Quran/Religion in general did horrible things like daesh and taliban. we can say the same thing about science and technology too. Man has made use of science for both the benefit as well as destruction of humanity. We cannot blame science or religion for this. A scalpel can be used for many things good or bad. you cannot blame scalpel for that
I will not be worried if my kids ask me such questions. Moses (as) went to mount toor and the holy prophet (pbuh) went to cave hira. they went there for meditation and praying to their God in solitude. Can you quote something from scripture that tells us that God resides on mount Toor or cave Hira?
This is alternative narrative. But most of the Muslims are hell bound to prove that whatever stated in Quran has been substantiated by science today. But we know that we even can not follow the lunar based Islamic calendar in our daily lives.
I know the original discussion I intended for devolved quickly, but the question was how people would balance their religious beliefs regarding the “big questions” we cannot answer (what happens after death, stuff like that) with new scientific revelations that would debunk what was stated in their religion. If you look through this thread you can even see the person I was “debating” with acting as if the Qur’ran did come up with scientific breakthroughs.
Also, there was no discussion/debate on the role of either of those things with violence.
The quran is no ordinary book and one has to learn enough sense to make proper sense of its text so that one could come to know its proper context objectively or purposefully. How to do so is explained HERE. A lot of people claim to know the quran but in actual fact they do not and I explain why not.
The quran is in human language but it has its own ideas to convey to humans using the very same human language and that is where lies difficulty for human beings. God is all knowing but people are born babies knowing nothing at all. It takes them ages to learn things by discovering them using their brains and senses and bodies. Just as a grown up highly educated human being cannot teach all he knows to a newly born baby so God cannot do so with human beings for his own reasons due to which he created human beings and gave them ability of choice. All these problems are explained away in the provided link for those who are interested in knowing the truth.
That is the hilarious part. I’ve had people in this thread even shrug off my original question acting as if this question came out of nowhere when there was literally several posts of me arguing with a user over science in the Qur’an and this user trying to challenge the validity of scientific theories based on nothing lmfao. This question that I asked, which was stated in a non-challenging way, has pretty much displayed what is wrong with the way people treat their religion in the face of new information that contradicts it.
Dear mostar, please explain how can 0=1 or 1=0? As I understand things zero can only equal zero not one. If there was absolutely nothing there to begin with then how could there come about anything at all from that absolute nothing. This means there was never a time when there was nothing at all. Something or someone intelligent who was there always brought about all the rest.
The question is why did, someone who was there already, bring about what we call the creation and sent his revelation? The quran is the way it ought to be and people need to learn why it is that way. People are also the way they are supposed to be and they need to learn why they are the way they are. It is because the creator created things for his own reasons and not for our reasons. The quran is a book that explains in all necessary detail why he created the world and sent his revelation. This is the over all context in which people need to look at the quran in order to try and understand it.
So existence of God is not and cannot be in dispute even by those who claim to be atheists if we are rationally consistent. As far as I am concerned, the problem is with understanding of people as to how they try to understand the message of God and what sense they make of its text and why. So those who have no idea why the quran is the way it is or why they are the way they are they cannot understand the quran. Also those who do not know the way to make proper sense of quranic text they cannot do so either.
The quran is a book of science because it tells us to use our brains and senses to learn things in the real world as well as to rationalise on that basis to see where all this has come from and why or how. This is the actual basis of human sciences. Has anyone ever learned anything in this world without one’s brain and senses? No, none.
The quran tells us how people of the past ended up destroyed by hands of each other because they did not adopt the way of life told by God. Has anyone ever been able to stop this destruction of human beings by hands of each other by avoiding the way of life God told them? On that basis the quran tells us this will continue till people educate themselves and follow the way of life advised by God. Only if they will make proper sense of message of God and follow it faithfully they will end up in blissful, dignified and secure existence. It also tells us, that day will come when deen of Allah will become a real world reality and it is people themselves who will turn it into that reality.
Only foolish people leave all to God but sensible people know it is a partnership between God and all he has created including human beings to work together towards a God set definite end. All because God has a plan and purpose to fulfil using all that is there.
Do people make cars and roads or does God make them for them? So the day people wake up and realise it is God who shows people the way but it is they who need to walk along that way they will start going where they need to to go. So far people are confused due to their utter ignorance. For a detailed explanation of things see HERE, HERE, HERE and HERE.
