That article "The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy"

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hahaha. Here we see the Zionist Mercenary run from the discussion. Guys, he just got exposed. lol.

"Does 'right-wing' mean pro-Zionist and 'left-wing' mean anti-Zionist? Of course not. And if this is the case then what does this talk of left-wing and right-wing has to do with what those professors are saying? I don't know if they are leftist, but even if they are, how can someone reject their conclusion just because they are leftist?"

You Zionist mercenary, do not make assumptions about me. I am neither jihadi nor brain-washed. People support Palestinians for various reasons. One of the most common reason is Islam. But I for one do not support any Muslim only for being Muslim. I only support those who are right. And whether anyone is Muslim, Christian, Jew, Hindu, or atheist; it is clear for anyone with a clear conscience that it is Zionist Israelis who are the oppressors of the land of original inhabitants. No matter HOW many excuses mercenaries like you give, you can not change this very obvious fact.

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The utter contradictions and ironies.....

You are even more stupid than I thought:)

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Beta, why don’t you reply to my post earlier about left-wing people being anti-Zionist?
Why am I getting the notion that someone is trying to run away from discussion?

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Fellas, I have read a couple of articles in American media condemning the original article, but these articles do not disprove the solid proofs given by those professors.

Here is one such article by Eliot Cohen published in Washington Post: “Yes, It’s Anti-Semitic”](http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/04/AR2006040401282.html)

And here is one article by Nayyar Zaidi published in Jang. پڑھیئے اور سر دھنیئے:

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Don’t worry. He thinks everyone who doesn’t agree with him is a Jihadi, and then has to resort to insults because he has nothing intelligent to say. It’s nothing new. Just sit back and enjoy the show. :hehe:

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Well not everyone, just people like you and prince abbas:)

who with their rants make it obvious at which level thier intelligent level is…

but why digress in this matter…

are you that shoddy in your intelligence that instead of debating the issues, you guys are debating me?

Is this what the great cries of “Death to Israel” really boils down to?

That If you don’t like what you hear, attack the messenger…

That after all that debate and arguments going back and forth, and after which every single argument that you have put worth I have ripped to shreds with facts and the truth…

If a person like me, a 4th year Software Engineering Student who reads about the middle east and world geo-politics as an interest and not as a profession can take your strongest arguments and turn them upside down, what chance do you think you have of being heard to people that are experts in the field or politicians that can make change?

don’t you think that your argument for a Palestinian state would be much stronger and realistic if you actually read through the history of Israel and Palestine instead of raving useless rants about a Zionist conspiracy to rule the world?

LOL. what a pathetic, uneducated, jihail world you come from…

and your posts are clear proof of that

keep it up…

I am getting a good laugh…

Your posts have become test cases of typical conspiracy theory epidemic that plagues the Islamic world

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I do not really see how have u ripped the arguments. You did not even touch upon the topic and just labelled the authors of original article as left wing and thats it. Great debating.

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i have out debated him in many articles...

i simply don't have the time to respond to each and every israeli bashing post that someone puts up

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Last I checked propaganda worked wonders on US population too, is US population uneducated as well? :konfused:

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merc and Fret, give it a break you two, please, stop this useless arguing otherwise I'll have to ask Admins to ban you two.

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The only wings that M2K has r the ones he gets after drinking red bull…

www.davidduke.com for all the people who want to know about the US - Israel involvement

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Summary of this thread so far:
OP (original poster) brings forth a moot topic that deals with the israeli lobby's influence on American foregin policy. Rather than debating the merits of the issue, a rather stout zit on a fly's ass dismisses the topic by employing straw man fallacy, labeling and dismissing the authors of the articles as left wing liberals, and thereby derailing what could have potentially been an interesting thread.

Not only did this "noise" not post any convincing rebuttals, but also had the chutzpah to make ad hom attacks against several posters calling them idiot and stupid.

Who is this idiot?

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fine, i will stop
:)

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you are actually going to quote a known racist to back up claims on Israel

can’t you find someone moderate?

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check this out,

miss Israel at the miss universe pagent, was an Arab-Israeli

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M2K and Mal1K,

Didn't want to get into this thread. We have discussed Israel to death by now.

However the aspect that came up in this thread is important and a good one.

"The role of Leftie Lobby and Pakistan's foreign policy".

M2K you brought a good point of how lefties impact the news media and the universities in the USA.

The problem is that many posters have no idea what the heck is USA or even if they run a 7-11 there, these guppies have no idea what an American university is.

The situation becomes even worse, when not only guppies, but the whole Pakistan is dominated by liberals, lefties, and Kommies. (Had it not been for our Pro-West Army, we would have long gone down the "axis of evil" toilet).

The funny thing is that all these lefties don't even know what is being a leftie.

*Is saadgi pay kon na mar jaiy aay Khuda. *(Oh God, this ignorance is gonna kill me).

Then you couple this ignorance with bunch of arrogance, and you got Mal1K type people who are so desperate in Jew-bashing that they would even quote David Dukes of this world. Funny they don't know, Duke's followers would love to lynch some brown @r$es. So I again say.

*Is saadgi pay kon na mar jaiy aay Khuda. *

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dope: woh kia kehtay hayn ke "is naqqar khanay mai....", to bhai aap ke qeemti alfaaz yahan zaya ho gaye :(

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These professors went to great length and put a magnifying glass on US-Israel link. The problem is that magnifying glass may allow you to see the fine details in a small area. However it also limits your ability to look at the complete picture.

In the big picture, Palestinian Arabs sided with Hitler first, and then became a client of Soviet Commies, rather shamelessly.

First Hitler, and then Soviets lost, so obviously their clients will lose as well. Israel on the other hand won because it's master state won.

Who spent billion or who supplied SAM missiles to Syria are all those interesting details that we can spend a lot of time on. However pound for pound, Arabs were infrerior fighters and Israelis won.

This is as simple as 1+1 = 3 (just kidding man!).

p.s. Palestinian-Arabs weren't as smart as Bharatis. See how Bharatis quickly took off their red-dhoti once Kommies didn't send hay, and put on a blue chaddi. Uncle Sam zinda baad.

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If ur such a smart intellect & bright individual, who knows it all, y dont u join office & bring about change wise guy...what **** do u even know bout anyone on this board, ur just a person with another nick, who probably hasnt even seen osama in real life, and has his anti nick...anyway, ek ungli uthai, 3 waapis

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There is a famous Farsi saying with a Pakistani twist.

Zamin junbud to junbud, Gul Mohammad na junbud
(Earth can shake, and change course, but Gul Mohammad will never move an inch).

So we have 99% Gul Mohammads in Palestine and you expect one "lowly" individual to go change them? Arab Baddus got so many messengers and still are the trouble makers. There is no hope for them. Blaming Israel will not but the cake or in this case philaphel or Pita bread.