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mkd - India said when Pakistan gained independence that this nation won't survive more than a year (I think it was a year) but hey, it's been what 63 years? so really, instead of thinking how long we will survive, i'd like to say Pakistan Zindabad.
If it's only 'survival' we are looking for then ok. But just remember that countries like Afghanistan are also surviving.
I want to see Pakistan prosper and WIN. I want to see Pakistan a developed country.
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Yeah. Its good none of you ever lived in Afghanistan, have been there and will never visit. Its all rosy over there in "hello kitty" land right?
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If you aren't happy with Pakistan. Move. No need for you stay. But our Iftar dish has already moved.
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Yeah. Its good none of you ever lived in Afghanistan, have been there and will never visit. Its all rosy over there in "hello kitty" land right?
No it is not. And that was the point. Mere 'survival' is not enough, because even a country like Afghanistan is surviving.
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Pakora your two threads have been merged. Happy discussing.
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If you aren't happy with Pakistan. Move.
Moving out of Pakistan is bringing the issue down to individual level. It will not help solve problems in the country.
We need to make our people realize what conditions they are living in, so that they may do something to improve the country and their lives.
دوڑو زمانہ چال قیامت کی چل گیا۔
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People who have given up are better when they are kicked out so those who do care for Pakistan can fix it.
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Pakora - i didn't see videos of Gujrat but i read an article, which even now when I think, makes me go into horror mode. anyway, I can't defent this incident. It is just horrible.
But my point is - that doesn't mean all of Pakistan is like that. I mean, every Pakistani I know has condemned it. Ground realities are also some other news I saw on TV today - like, the donations people of Lahore were making towards flood victims. And how Pak army had instantly provided relief to a family of handicapped people in Nowshera after watching them on Geo.
I just want to ask my nation this very simple question the Taliban have committed atrocities, killings, public beheadings, and slaughter. They have done it in the name of Islam whether it was the public killing of Najibullah and his brother in the center of Kabul or whether it was giving 20 lashes to a girl in swat; it was all done under the same pretext. what I want to ask is how different are the Taliban from the “Punjabi” mob (plus our nation standing and witnessing the act) gathered in the center of sialkot who clubbed to death 2 innocent boys under the age of 18 with crow bars, batons and stones, lynched them naked in the square, and then gorged out their eyes, and threw them in a heap of rubbish all under the supervision of the police. The episode in Sialkot make Taliban look like the tooth fairy, because what we are capable of as a nation in just one episode is much worse than the wrath ever produced in the history of the Taliban. I am sorry I am not justifying the Taliban here I am just pointing out the fact that we as a nation are as much or may be more of an animal than the Taliban.
we're all the same: Taliban (Who are they by the way? I still do not get it - seems to be all propaganda), Punjabis, MQM - we're all hungry, poor, illiterate, unemployed - and that's the reason we're a bunch of animals.
khoji - if you want to see Pakistan prosper, criticising Pakistan is not the way to go. It's like a dad whose son fails in school telling his kid "son, you're a loser" versus the dad giving his kid a hug and saying "it's ok son, you're a gem don't worry, i'm sure you'll do better next time".
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People who have given up are better when they are kicked out so those who do care for Pakistan can fix it.
'Given up'? People who realize the problems and want to see the country progress, are not the ones who have given up. Our problem is people who only give lip service to Pakistan while indulging in everything that hurts Pakistan.
And the talk of being 'kicked out' is funny. If leaving the country for greener pastures is being 'kicked out', then there are millions of youth who are dying to be 'kicked out'.
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We don't even ACKNOWLEDGE that we have a problem at hand. If there is not even the acknowledgement then there is no chance of solution either.
People would rather like to commit intellectual suicides rather than trying to live a life of rationality.
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We don't even ACKNOWLEDGE that we have a problem at hand. If there is not even the acknowledgement then there is no chance of solution either.
So lets propose solutions. Every sane Pakistani has acknowledged that there's a problem. Enough criticisim, any suggestions?
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We don't even ACKNOWLEDGE that we have a problem at hand. If there is not even the acknowledgement then there is no chance of solution either. People would rather like to commit intellectual suicides rather than trying to live a life of rationality.
we're acknowledging it. we're saying Sialkot incident was horrible. But why do we have to criticise Pakistan? Mulk ka kia Qusur hay?
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khoji - if you want to see Pakistan prosper, criticising Pakistan is not the way to go. It's like a dad whose son fails in school telling his kid "son, you're a loser" versus the dad giving his kid a hug and saying "it's ok son, you're a gem don't worry, i'm sure you'll do better next time".
I understand it hurts. May be I should not criticize that much. But I don't know how else to make people realize it. If the father keeps appreciating his son even when he is failing then he is also responsible for his failing.
Besides, I am not saying anything against Pakistan as a country. I am only criticizing the general attitude of our people. And I am saying this in the company of Pakistanis. I would not do it in front of others.
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Mulk ka kia Qusur hay?
No way. As I said above, I don't criticize Pakistan. Just certain attitudes of people.
I would like to see Pakistan go back to Quaide Azam's vision of a country which makes decisions based on reason alone.
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I am only criticizing the general attitude of our people.
The general attitude of our people is to sit back and watch or turn out backs towards the problems that face the country.... This is what everyone does... They criticise and criticise but will not take a step forward to bring about some change in the country.... even on a very small scale... When asked for suggestions they have none! And this isn't directed at you khoji....
For example, everyone gave out about the pakistani media showing that sialkot video on tv over and over again but very few, like Iconoclast, actually picked up the phone and decided to do something about it....
If we don't have leaders like Quaid-e-Azam at present, we don't have the qaum that Quaid-e-Azam had either... We don't have that love for our country that people back then had... no qaumi jazba! ... We're all about internet debates....
So lets debate on how we can make a difference in Pakistan?
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So lets propose solutions. Every sane Pakistani has acknowledged that there's a problem. Enough criticisim, any suggestions?
I think one of the most important thing is to eliminate extremism of all kinds. In other words, the propaganda started by Zia should be reversed. Just a few years back a great majority of people were in favor of Talibanic extremist religion. Not any more. The government needs to build up on this momentum. Electronic media should be used to inform people of what extremism does to the country. Pseudo-intellectuals who perpetrate extremism in electronic and print media should be removed.
But the biggest problem is that everything starts from government. Until the time we have clowns like Zardari and Nawaz Sharif running the country, there is no way things can improve. None of the big parties have ANY plan in place about the upbringing of country's economy. I don't know how people can make their choice of leaders.
بلی کے گلے میں گھنٹی کون باندھے گا؟
Improving economy would mean increasing the size of the pie. This will take away a lot of nationalist bitterness, frustration AND extremism from people.
When economy started going bad in the US then the government came under severe pressure. Even now economy and job growth are discussed by analysts all the time. So Americans are at least trying to go back to the good old days of Clinton era. But no such discourse takes place in our country. It looks to me that people have resigned to their fate. They have accepted it as their fate that the students will not find jobs when they graduate, and that there will always be 'gadha-gaaris' on our roads.
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I use to tutor two Palestinian kids and they use to tell me that how horrible is to be without a land, without a place to call their home. They also use to share their experiences about how they are still willing to fight for their own identity in the world despite risking and loosing everything. We are lucky k hamayn aik apni country plate mayn rakhi hui mil gayi, we didn't had to do any effort for it so ghar ki murhi daal barabar. Don't blame Pakistan for wat Pakistantis are doing.
My country still is the best and I thank it for just being there for me. I can call it my own and no one in the world can deny me that right
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Some really good points there khoji. Now we're talking. This thread is making some sense now. Looking forward to some more constructive comments here by the OP and others.
PS: Could u plz edit ur signature as there's no advertising allowed. Cheers!
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In current situation its very normal that everyone is pissed off about Pakistan . But when they say it doesn’t mean Pakistan as piece of land , but the people who live in it . Pakistan as a country is not bad , we have all the resources , and weathers and what not , but when it comes to utilization of these blessings of God , we as a nation suck at it .
I consider present situation as electric shock for this nation , and inshaAllah it will wake them up , because other option will only be death and we can’t afford that . May Allah help Pakistan and change heart and minds of Pakistani nation towards good .
Even someone leaves Pakistan for now , or even living outside , then still they should consider it their home . Once situation will get little better they should come help develop this country . 
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***Pakistan is not a poor country ! We do not lack the resources or manpower to build a nation to be proud off . What we do lack is the leadership and governance to Build Pakistan into the Nation that is deserves to be.
What the OP has highlighted are very much the ground realities that those of us living in Pakistan are facing on a daily basis and it has lead to despair and frustration and animosity.
I've only been back for 6 months and already feel disheartened and frustrated at the way of things here and how pathetic the situation has gotten.
Our people do come together in cases like the natural disasters whether it was the earthquake or the floods but again the lack of organization and transparency of dealings has led to a sitaution deteriorating as everyone has lost trust in the government. In spite of this the common man is doing his bit to help those affected.
I've lived amongst Palestinians and not having a Land to call your own isn't something we can comprehend till you see up close how these people feel and are raised or raise their children. So If nothing else the one thing we can be THANKFUL for is having a Nation to Call our OWN.