Terrorism...

**These days the word “terrorist” is thrown around more often than any other noun we can think of. Pick a newspaper or tune into a news channel; all one sees or hears is somebody attacking another under the pretext of ‘self-defense’ or ‘war-on-terrorism’. As a rule of thumb, almost always, the stronger calls the weaker a terrorist. It seems, all one has to do is label his/her rival a terrorist, and a license to wage indiscriminate violence is bestowed upon him/her. Naturally, one has to wonder who the terrorists are in reality, and who are the victims in today’s asymmetric war-on-terrorism? Are the terrorists whoever the media designates, or the American and Israeli governments labels as such, or anyone who dares to question the apartheid practices of governments like Israel, India, Russia, and etc.? **

Though there is no single broadly accepted definition of terrorism that can clearly define who the terrorists are, but in order to answer the question, it maybe prudent to go over whatever definitions of terrorism we can find, even if they are not universally accepted.

Proposed Definitions of Terrorism

The Webster’s dictionary defines ‘terrorism’ as: “the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion.” It also defines the ‘terrorists’ as: “violent or destructive acts (as bombing) committed by groups in order to intimidate a population or government into granting their demands.”
On several occasions the United Nations (UN) has futilely tried to come up with a singular definition of terrorism, but it always failed, because one or the other powerful nation(s) objected and sabotaged the general consensus.
Proposed Definitions of Terrorism at the UN

  1. League of Nations Convention (1937):
    “All criminal acts directed against a State and intended or calculated to create a state of terror in the minds of particular persons or a group of persons or the general public”.

  2. UN Resolution language (1999):
    “Criminal acts intended or calculated to provoke a state of terror in the general public, a group of persons or particular persons for political purposes are in any circumstance unjustifiable, whatever the considerations of a political, philosophical, ideological, racial, ethnic, religious or other nature that may be invoked to justify them".

In the absence of a universal standard that defines terrorism and hence a terrorist, a brief glance over a few incidents that could be perceived (in the context of loose definitions, above) as acts of terrorism may help us to understand who the terrorists are?

Some of most memorable acts of terrorism in the modern history:
Throughout the 1930s and 1940s, the Zionist groups like Hagana Bet/ Irgun and Lehi/Stern Gang hounded the British rulers and Arab civilians through violent means. Were Irgun and Stern Gang terrorist groups? You decide.
German Nazis exterminated over six million Jews, gypsies, and disabled. Were Nazis terrorists? You decide.

Mal1k says - No, Hitler made only 1 mistake, he didn’t Xterminate all of the jews.

In 1949, close to 1 million Arabs were forced out of the newly-created Jewish State. Does that make Israel a terrorist state? You decide.

Mal1k says - Yes.

In1953, Ariel Sharon was given command of Unit 101 whose missions were to spread terror in an effort to scare Palestinians to flee from their homes. In August 1953, the UN commander Major-General Vagn Bennike reported, “bombs were thrown” by Sharon’s men “through the windows of huts in which the refugees were sleeping and, as they fled, they were attacked by small arms and automatic weapons.” Fifty Arab refugees were killed. On October 14, 1953, Sharon led an attack on a Jordanian village of Qibya massacring 69 civilians. Then in 1982, after invading Lebanon, Sharon allowed the Lebanese Christian Phalangist militia into two Beirut-area refugee camps, Sabra and Shatila, where they slaughtered over 800 Palestinians, including women and children. Is Sharon a terrorist? You decide.

Mal1k says - Yes definitely. The pig is now having a horrific death, thanks to da Almighty.

According to the Israeli historian Avi Shlaim, “Sharon’s order was to penetrate Qibya, blow up houses and inflict heavy casualties on its inhabitants. His success in carrying out the order surpassed all expectations…The village had been reduced to rubble: forty-five houses had been blown up, and sixty-nine civilians, two thirds of them women and children, had been killed.” Does that make Israeli leadership a terrorist organization? You decide.

Mal1k says - Yes.

In 1972, during the Munich Olympic Games, Palestinian fighters held Israeli athletes hostage and subsequently killed about a dozen of them. Does that make PLO fighters, terrorists? You decide.

**Mal1k says - No, they retaliated. They took revenge, they were freedom fighters. What happened after Munich is evident. Even the new movie Munich 1972 depicted Mossad carrying out their operations, taking their mission into other countries. **

In 1984, after the assassination of Indira Gandhi, raging Hindu mobs embarked on anti-Sikh riots in which more than 3,000 Sikhs were massacred in New Delhi. Another 8,000 Sikhs were bloodily slaughtered in rest of India. Did Hindu mobs commit terrorism? You decide.

Mal1k says - Da friggin hindus are the same as jews, they are like scorpions. Pakistan was created with an ideology - Islam. Pakistan can never be friends with either jews or hindus. Da massacre of innocent sikhs showed how hindus retaliate.

During the 1st Palestinian Intifadah (1988-1991), 1,162 Palestinians, including 241 children out of which 159 children were below the age of 16 were killed by the Jewish extremists and the Israel military for tossing stones. Does that make Jewish extremists and IDF, terrorist organizations? You decide.

Mal1k says - Yes.

During the same time (1988-1991), 160 Israelis were killed by the Palestinians. Does that make Palestinians militants, terrorists? You decide.

Mal1k - No

Since the 1989 Kashmiri insurgency, an estimated 80,000 innocent Kashmiris, including women and children had been indiscriminately butchered by the Indian military and paramilitary forces. Thousands of Kashmiri women had been raped by the Indian troops. Another hundreds of thousands of Kashmiris lost their homes, business, and crops to the naked aggression of Indian troops. Does that make Indian troops, terrorists? You decide.

Mal1k says - Yes, they have always been terrorists. The rape of women is just really atrocious. Anyone who knows what the russians did to the german women after WWII would agree with me.

In a 1995 nerve gas attack on the Tokyo subway by the members of a Japanese cult which killed 12 people and left 5,000 people injured. Does that make the Japanese cult a terrorist organization? You decide.

Mal1k says - Yes.

During the 2nd Palestinian Intifadah (2000-2005), 3,323 Palestinians were killed by the Israel extremists and military for tossing stones. Does that make Jewish extremist groups (including the Jewish settlers) and IDF terrorist organizations? You decide.

Mal1k says - Yes, yes & yes.

During the similar time (2000-2006), 989 Israelis were killed by the Palestinian rockets and suicide attacks. Does that make Palestinian militants, terrorist organization? You decide.

Mal1k says - Not at all.

On September 11, 2001 (9/11), 19 men affiliated with al-Qaeda hijacked four American passenger jet airliners to crash them into American landmarks. Approximately 3,000 innocent people from all walks life died in these attacks. Were the 19 men, affiliated with al-Qaeda, terrorists? You decide.

Mal1k says - Al Qaeda will always remain innocent in my eyes. No matter what the friggin zionist corrupt regime comes up with, Al Qaeda was never a terrorist organization.

During the 2002 Gujarat pogrom, over 2,000 unarmed Muslim men, women and children were systematically butchered by Hindu extremists. Major Indian newspapers accused the Gujarat state government, led by BJP Chief Minister Narendra Modi of supporting, and in some cases instigating, the riots. Are Hindu extremists, Modi and BJP, terrorists? You decide.

Mal1k says - Yet again, the hindus retaliate on innocent lives. A big yes.

Since Aslan Maskhadov (a Chechen separatists leader) won internationally monitored election in 1997, Russian troops have killed hundreds of thousands innocent Chechens, and reduced virtually every Chechen city, town and village to ruble. Does that make Russians, terrorists? You decide.

**Mal1k says - These *****s screwed up Afghanistan, are friends of india, & are bigger terrorists.

On May 1, 2002, on a Hardball with Chris Matthews (CNBC) show, the then US House Majority Leader Dick Armey (a Republican) called for ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. He said, “I’m content to have Israel grab the entire West Bank… There are many Arab nations that have many hundreds of thousands of acres of land and soil and property and opportunity to create a Palestinian state… I happened to believe that the Palestinians should leave… I am perfectly content to have Israel hold and occupy the land that it has at this moment.” Does the calls of ethnic cleansing of Palestinians from their ancestral homelands by the fascist Congressional leaders tantamount to terrorism? You decide.

Mal1k says - Nope, not at all. He is making a statement, everyone has a right to a personal opinion. So does Ahmedinejad, I FULLY support him saying israel should be wiped off the map.

Since the 2003 American invasion of Iraq, an estimated 50,000 Iraqis have been killed by the US led military coalition. Does that make the military coalition, terrorists? You decide.

Mal1k says - The bloody zionists will always be terrorists.

In a series of coordinated bombings of the commuter trains in Madrid, in March 2004, 192 unsuspected people were killed. A number of Moroccans and Indians were arrested for the attacks. Were the arrested Moroccans and Indians, terrorists? You decide.

Mal1k says - No.

In September 2004, Beslan’s Middle School Number One was seized by the Chechen separatists. In the ensuing fighting nearly 400 innocent people were killed. Half of them were children. Were the Chechen separatists, terrorists? You decide.

Mal1k says - No. Everyone knows, who started the gunfire first. The chechens wanted the bloody russians to understand, but they are ragheads, who just wont.

In September 2004, 35 Iraqi children were killed by the Iraqi insurgents as American troops were handing out candies to the children in the West Baghdad. Does that make Iraqi insurgents, terrorists? You decide.

Mal1k says - Children have always been the innocent victims of wars, as can be seen today. The insurgents are freedom fighters, who wanted to screw up the zionists. So they are not terrorists.

In an instance of four coordinated suicide bombings, in July 2005, 56 civilians were killed in London by young British Muslims, who wanted to avenge worldwide mistreatment of Muslims. Were the four suicide bombers, terrorists? You decide.

Mal1k says - No. They are my brothers of faith, who did the right thing to get the message across to UK, that you are not welcome here in the gulf, & your government is a “najaiz aulad” of the USA.

In October 2005, the Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad called for Israel to be “wiped off the map.” Does President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s call to destroy Israel tantamount to terrorism? You decide.

Mal1k says - Nope. He has Xpressed his opinion, & even if he DID wipe israel, I would be FULLY supporting him.


The list just keeps going on & on. List one Muslim atrocity against the West, which has been done just out of the blue & I will say that Muslims are terrorists…!!! NONE. There has been absolutely no atrocity by Muslims on jews or christians, but vice versa. What we see today is out of frustration & our sold out governments keeping quite. What we see today is ONLY retaliation, not terrorism, revenge not terrorism.

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Criticism at all levels accepted

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dude, be fair. I was just glancing thru this and stopped reading after u said that killing of israeli atheletes was freedom fighting..

why do we want to justify wrongdoings and excesses. lets be fair. One does not have to support all actions by palestinian groups.

I am 100% in support of palestinian right to independence, but that does not mean I will support all actions taken by groups in the name of palestinian struggle.

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**I thought Mal1K was some author or associated with some org and then i saw that he was non other than the thread creator. Stop behaving as self declared Supreme court judge of the islamic world. **

Killing unarmed innocent sportsmen is a act of coward ness

Now why are christans left out they blame Islamic terrorist for all the attacks in US and Europe.
American flag is burned before israeli or indian so Pakistan should only deal with Islamic countries and stay in a cocoon and under any circumstances Pak sould not deal with christans hindus or jews all imports for these countries should be banned. :confused::confused:

**Are you refering to 350000 kashmiri hindus. **

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The Chinese aggression in Tibet! The freedom loving Tibetans are forced to live in exile; mostly got a stay in India.

Is China a terrorist state?

What does this intelligent person Mal1k say...'yes or no'?

Ps, I can raise many issues from his own post, but as per his beliefs, it is useless to waste time in convincing him.

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the most dangerous terrorrism is "state terrorrism" which is being excercised
by jews and their master, the biggest rogue country and its puppy dogs, the
britain, NATO, jap, etc.

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Fraudia bhai - To me it was freedom, look what happened in Munich. Black September. Mossad didnt hesitate one bit, it was revenge.

Freedom comes with a price. 1947, even we struggled from the hindus, look what they did to passengers in the trains travelling through hindu infested cities...!!!

Perhaps you wont be able to justify it but I would.

Everyone has an opinion, right???

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Terror is the name of the game…just try to live with it if you love life… :hula: :hula:

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Ah Mal1k, spokesperson for the Religion of Peace. Well said.

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Merci.