Terrorism related incidents in KP

Our army started the so called war on terror about 8-9 years ago due to consistent pressure of the Americans. During the past few years we have seen operations in Swat/Malakand, Tank, SWA, Mohmand, Kurram, Orakzai, Khyber Agency (Tirah valley) etc. Even after rigorous operations the war is far from over, the situation of Khyber, Orakzai, Tirah, Kurram, NWA (from FATA) are far from normal and now the militants have started regrouping in Tank. The militant activities in recent weeks have started picking up in settled areas of KP like Peshawer, Nowshera and Charsadda.

A few days back some shias were killed in Kurram agency, then a bomb blast in Nowshera after ANP’s jalsa, today 10 soldiers were killed in Khyber Agency http://www.dawn.com/2012/03/02/eight-soldiers-22-militants-killed-in-pakistan-gunfight.html and suicide attack in Khyber claims 22 lives Suicide attack in Khyber agency kills 22: official | Pakistan | DAWN.COM. The interesting part of the Khyber blast is that it was an attack of some TTP faction on Lashkar e Islam (Mangal Bagh). Seems to be some infighting going on as well now.

The operations that the military have done so far they allow the militants to flee (in guise of IDP’s) hence the threat is removed from one area and it raises its head from somewhere else.

This issue has also become very complex with the passage of time, what can the government do to resolve this issue?

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Our army prepared these terrorist in Zia regime
and started fighting during Mush era
It is a homemade enemy .

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So how to deal with it now?

What ever the reasons for the creation of these monsters (its a reality now), whats the way out...as before the tribal areas were affected now even the settled ones...

If the situation deteriorates further we might see operations in Peshawer, Charsadda and Nowshera which would be very bloody!

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This war against US will change into war against Pakistan
US , India and Israeel will fund for this .

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Bro what do you mean by war against US, ttp is already fighting against Pakistan.

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Now they claims that Pakistan is helping Us so they are fighting , later the will fight for Islami Nizam .

Seventy dead in NW Pakistan violence: official

Sad. Seems like things are getting out of control again.

Seventy dead in NW Pakistan violence: official | Pakistan | DAWN.COM

PESHAWAR: At least 55 people were killed Friday in violence in Pakistan’s troubled northwestern tribal region of Kyhber, which borders Afghanistan, local officials said.

Twenty-two people were killed in a suicide attack targeting a mosque after Friday prayers in the Tirah valley, while at least 10 soldiers and 23 militants died in an earlier clash around 10 kilometres away (six miles).

Fifteen militants were also killed when Pakistan fighter jets blitzed various suspected militant hideouts in the Orakzai Agency.

Kyhber is a haven for militants linked to the Pakistani Taliban and the threat of renewed fighting there between the army and insurgents prompted some 18,000 people to flee their homes in October last year.

Local administration official Jamilur Rehman told AFP that the suicide blast killed at least 22 people and wounded more than 20 others, adding the toll may rise.

“The bomber detonated himself near the gate of a mosque in Tirah valley of Khyber tribal region when people were returning from the prayers,” he said.

The mosque is located in an area controlled by warlord Mangal Bagh, he said, adding that most of the dead were from his Lashkar-i-Islam —a group widely linked to militants and criminal gangs.

The attack and the toll was confirmed by Khyber administration chief Mutahir Zeb Khan.

“It was a suicide attack. The bomber blew himself up at the entrance of the mosque when the worshippers were returning after the Friday prayers,” he said.

ARMY-MILITANTS CLASH:

Khan earlier said at least 10 Pakistani soldiers and 23 militants were killed in a gunfight in the Tirah valley.

“At least 10 soldiers embraced martyrdom and three others were wounded,” a senior security official told AFP, adding that the fighting lasted for nearly six hours.

“All law enforcement agencies’ posts in the area were intact and the situation was stable,” the official said, blaming the Lashkar-i-Islam group for attacking the outpost.

Military officials in Peshawar confirmed the attack and casualties, but it was not possible to independently verify the official account of the incident as access to the area is restricted.

ORAKZAI OPERATION

Separately, fifteen militants were killed and 10 others wounded when Pakistan fighter jets blitzed various suspected militant hideouts in the Orakzai Agency.

Five suspected hideouts were destroyed in the operation in Akhunkot and Balras areas, said official sources.

PESHAWAR:

Gunmen on motorbikes Friday shot dead an intelligence official in Peshawar, police said.

Bashir Khan, a 38-year-old Intelligence Bureau inspector, was on his way to work on his motorcycle when gunmen also riding a motorbike shot him, senior police official Tahir Ayub told AFP.

Ayub said it was not immediately clear who shot Khan.

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Things were never in control, while some areas have never been under control (Kurram, Orakzai, NWA and Khyber) and with the passage of time settled areas like Peshawer, Nowshera, Mardan, Tank, DI Khan and Charsadda have been affected.

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Very very sad news. :(

Somone has to find a non-military sulotion to this. We cant try and play this like the Americans would and falsely hope tyhat firepower alone will beat terrorism. We need to protect our people and if that means sitting down and talking with thugs then so be it.

Also if there is no option but violence then we need to really adapt our forces for this kind of warfare and Pakistans army may be one of the best lateral armies on earth and pound for pound toe to toe we can fight any conventional enemy, but the Pakistani Taliban are not a normal conventional force and so must be dealt very differently.

If we have to fight them then we need to think of other strategies that will hurt our enemy, cut the supply lines cut off thier funds and so on. However Pakistan has plenty of millitary muscle and not enough diplomatic power our politicians are failing the people, the army and thier homeland.

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For the past few days I am thinking about some areas:

1) Afghanistan
2) Balochistan
3) FATA

Read the history of these areas and check the situation now. has anything changed?

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Well theres the nub of the matter, Pakistan governments have always had an Imperialistic attitude (adopted from those damned British) towards the frontiers people and so neither side really trusted or incorporated the other and this is a major problem.

Both sides have been mistrustfull of one another and so hence this ingrained fear which has led to outright hatred.

This is a real problem in Pakistan we have to always label and categorise things like the British did and we still follow the same old corrupt systems. We need to scrap it all and think new either as a nationalistic identity that needs to be forged or as an Islamic one. Both are achievable and you dont really need to use force to have your way either.

Sadly our leaders have so much to learn... and the people much to lose.

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[note]Merged the two threads as both were essentially discussing the same topic.[/note]

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The so-called spy agency called ISI, which does everything other than spying, never thought of picking up the golden lesson of divide and rule? It should have been a child’s paly for ISI. But it looks the agency lives only on hype.

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Brother its the divide and rule due to which one TTP faction has carried out suicide attack on Mangal Bagh group, or the activities of lashkars against taleban (thats essentially raising tribes against tribes). I dont see that as a long term solution, we will bear the brunt of this infighting long after the war is over.

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Agreed! sadly our army believes that everything can be solved by force! these polices have brought immense sufferings to pashtuns, and baloch and then thousands of other Pakistanis (as a consequence). The issues which could have been sorted out politically have been deteriorated to such an extent by these senseless operations, that now the end seems to be a distant reality.

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If it is divide and rule with anything coming from the ISI, I understand it's too little and too late. And you don't have to suffer any consequences if you divide them and let them take care of each other. What really matters is that you divide them properly and just when enough blood has spilled, you enter the fray and finish it off. The essence lies in the disintegration of power and unity. And once it's achieved, you are done.

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You mean, if Pakistan was not helping USA then they would not have tried to impose so-called Islamic Nizam on Pakistan by force ... ever?

I believe, these terrorists would have started fighting against Pakistan regardless of 9/11 or not. Only difference is that, Pakistan was fortunate that all started before they becoming too strong for Pakistan. 9/11 and Pakistan decision forced them to come out of their hole earlier then they wanted.

Else, they were not only preparing for arms struggle against Pakistan themselves to force their misguided beliefs, but were infiltrating politics, army, secret services, bureaucracy, judiciary, police, business-communities, and journalism of Pakistan, so that when they start their campaign against Pakistan, they can find help within every Pakistani state and influential organs. In such situation, they would have occupied Pakistan and forced their misguided beliefs over Pakistan by force just like Taliban did in Afghanistan.

Actually, I believe Pakistan was their prime and prized target for imposing their misguided beliefs. Afghanistan and sectarian violence in Pakistan was just a trailer of their awaiting movie for Pakistan.

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**Attack in Charsadda today…

Aftab Sherpao escapes life attempt
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Remember Difa e Pakistan people. It is filled with anti-Pakistan extremist organizations many of which are defunct. And yet the government is still allowing them to gather and hold huge rallies in big cities.
Remember Interior Minister who actually thanks extremists for killing less people in Muharram.

It all shows that government/agencies have no control on the situation. May be it was drone attacks which had disrupted their top leadership for a while.

By the way, the irony of this Dife a Pakistan Council is that it is these same people against which Pakistan has to defend itself.

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Interesting news article about operations in Waziristan in 1919…history never ceases to amaze me…

Operations in Waziristan (1919-20)

AUTHOR: General Staff Army HQ, India

PUBLISHER: Government Printing, Calcutta India

DATE OF PUBLICATION: 1921

The following excerpt has been taken from Pages: 58 — 61

“From the time of earliest dealings with the Wazirs and Mahsuds these tribes have presented a most difficult problem and one which still awaits a satisfactory solution. The political history of Waziristan especially in its earlier stages has always been closely interwoven with and to some extent overshadowed by, that of Afghanistan. Since the middle of the nineteenth century the British Government has from time to time been involved in military operations with the Waziristan tribes, but the first event of purely political importance with which we are concerned occurred in 1884, when the Amir of Afghanistan made an attempt to establish his supremacy over the Wazirs, and though it met with little or no support from the tribesmen, our policy with regard to Waziristan had not reached sufficiently advanced stage to enable us to dispose of the question finally. Four years later the Amir was informed that it was not our intention to occupy Wana.

“This somewhat vague intimation led him to suppose that the Afghans were free to go there, and they accordingly did so. Previous to this the Amir had on more than one occasion asserted that Waziristan belonged to him, but his claim was not definitely repudiated until 1892, when he was informed that, although he would not be called upon immediately to evacuate Wana, we did not admit his right to occupy it, and he was forbidden to advance further into Waziristan pending a settlement. At the same time he was reminded that we had always insisted on the independence of the Wazirs and upon our right to deal directly with them, that we should continue to do so and that he must not attempt to bring them under his authority.

“This pronouncement was naturally unpalatable to the Amir, who objected to our having any dealings with the Wazirs and claimed the whole of Waziristan in his dominions. It was of course, impossible to admit such a claim, which had no foundation in fact, for it would have allowed this large track of country in which we were becoming more and more interested, to pass entirely out of our control. The position of Waziristan was thus clearly defined to Amir as being one of complete independence, qualified by our right to hold direct relations with its inhabitants. About this time a proposal was made that we should hand over the suzerainty to the Amir, allow the tribesmen to pay him tribute, and at the same time exercise some sort of control over them, ourselves and bind the Amir to abstain from all actual interference with the tribes. Lord Lansdowne, however, disliked the idea of this arrangement which would have given both ourselves and the Amir concurrent rights in the same country, and it was rejected. Nor did the Government of India view with more approval a suggested solution of the question involving a partition of the Wazir tribes between ourselves and the Amir. This scheme, by which the whole of the Darwesh Khel would have been transferred to Afghanistan, was considered as presenting insuperable difficulties and was also dropped.

**“It had always been the policy of the British Government to abstain as far as possible from interference with the internal affairs of the independent tribes living beyond our Indian border, but the decision to exclude the Amir from Waziristan logically involved the protection of that region as well as of its inhabitants from unprovoked acts of aggression on his part. All that Government wanted, however, was that the Wazirs should look to us and to no one else. Obviously the advantage of gaining the confidence of the tribes was all important.
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“In 1893, the negotiations of the previous year reached a final settlement and by the Durand Agreement, signed in Kabul in November, the Amir definitely renounced all claim to Waziristan (the Birmal tract excepted) and agreed to the request of the British Government that the boundary line between India and Afghanistan should be delimitated. A Commission was accordingly appointed in October of the following year to demarcate the Western boundary of Waziristan from Domandi, on the Gomal, northwards.

“It was considered that this was a suitable opportunity to accept the invitation of the Wazirs of Wana, given two years previously, to occupy their country, thereby preventing future aggression on the part of either the Afghan authorities or the Powindahs and securing the Gomal route against the depredation of the Mahsuds. To do this it was decided to establish a military post in Wana with outposts along the line of the Gomal Valley. No sooner was Wana occupied than Mahsud attack on the camp occurred and the third-Mahsud expedition of 1894-95 was the immediate result.

OPERATIONS IN

THE SHAHUR AND KHAISARA VALLEY BETWEEN 12TH JUNE AND 17TH AUGUST 1917

“A large number of Mahsuds who had collected on the Shrawanni Pass with the intention of opposing a second raid into the Khaisara, now seeing signs of withdrawal began to advance. A piquet of the 54th Sikhs and a covering party of the 1/4th Gurkhas therefore remained in position west of the camp until the transport had passed through the tangi, when the 30th Mountain Battery shelled the pass effectively, information regarding the result of their fire being given them from the piquet by signal. Two other piquets on the north and one of the south of the camp also remained in their positions till the tangi was reported clear of transport.

“The retirement down the tangi was necessarily slow and it was not till 9-30 A.M. that the rearguard could begin to move. During the withdrawal of the piquets a party of snipers worked their way round the right (north) flank of the first gun position near camp to within 300 yards of the guns but the escort of the 54th Sikhs saved the section from the casualties which it was in danger of suffering by a rapid advance, before which the enemy retired. Almost immediately after this, the last piquet was withdrawn, and the rearguard and guns retired through the tangi. The enemy at once descended from the hills and occupied our camping ground. There they were heavily shelled by the centre section of the 30th Mountain Battery, while both the centre and left sections engaged targets of the enemy appearing on the heights north and south of the tangi. The intention of the Mahsuds had evidently been to envelope our rearguard, but the positions on either side of the tangi had been occupied by our piquets which was withdrawn under cover of the guns. The retirement was completed without a casualty, though one sepoy had been wounded in the attack on the village and camp was reached about 3 P.M. Towns and villages which had been left standing owing to the hurried advance were now destroyed and the work of devastation in this area completed.

**“During the operations of the striking force the B. E. 2C aeroplanes based at Tank proved to be of the greatest assistance. Owing to the high temperature prevailing co-operation, which was requested sparingly, usually took the form of a preliminary reconnaissance carried out ahead of the column by one or two machines, which summoned others from Tank when it was observed that the force was being opposed.

“Apart from co-operating with the column in this manner independent raids were carried out almost daily on parts of the country not being visited by the force. On the 22nd bombs were dropped with considerable effect in the Kaniguram valley and in a particularly successful raid on the 26th a number of direct hits were obtained on houses in Makin and Marobi, the latter being the home of Mulla Fazl Din.
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“The political reports now available showed that the Mahsuds were in a more reasonable state of mind, the defeat that they had suffered at Nanu, the destruction of villages and the raids of the aeroplanes on regional formerly considered safe from our attack, had disheartened them, nor could they any longer hope for help from Kabul. A letter from the Amir to the Viceroy dated June 23rd showed, indeed, that he was endeavouring to check the spread of disorder.

“On his return Ispana Raghza on the 25th the Chief Political Officer received messages to the effect that some of the principal maliks were anxious to treat for peace and also that a representative Jirga at Kaniguram had written asking for a specification of the terms to be imposed by Government. The Jirga appealed too for a suspension of the hostilities for five days in order that the Jirga might consider them. The terms of the Government of India which were sent them were briefly as follows:

“(a) The settlement of Major Dodd’s murder case by tribal custom as against the Abdur Rahman Khel.

(b) All rifles captured from the military and militia since March 1st were to be returned.

(c) The prisoners now with the Mahsuds were to be released.

(d) The outlaws from British territory were to be surrendered or expelled.

(e) A guarantee for future good behavior was to be given.

“The military and political requirements now seemed to be identical; the operations had so far been successful, the troops required a much needed rest, and an opportunity had occurred for giving the Mahsuds that chance of coming to an agreement which it was our declared policy to offer them. Accordingly on the 26th June offensive operations including aerial raids were suspended pending the results of the Mahsuds deliberations, the days of grace to end on the 1st July. The force remained halted at Ispana Raghza unmolested by the enemy except for sniping of a water party on the 20th resulting in two British privates being wounded.