Terror attack in Mumbai, Hotel Oberoi under siege

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What I don't understand is Indian media's obsession with everything American... I mean you can almost sense their giddiness at finally being able to call this incident "India's 9/11".

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If you get the feeling that i somehow am trying to put the blame on Pakistan establishment then i would say i am sorry for giving such an impression. Both India and Pakistan is sufering from the same elements .... that is the crux of my posts as least ....... what has happened in last few days could have been done by any one from islamic or hindu " terrorists" .... but if you try to see through the retoric .... you will realize that thsi incident is harming Pakistan as much as it has devastated India. Only time will tell what is the truth but i sincerely feel thsi act is an effort by people to destablise the region ..... forcing India to react against Pakistan ... to get Pakistan take its "eyes off the ball". I might be wrong only time will tell.

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The way 9/11 hit the economic targets in America .... these attacks have had the same effect. By attacking the hub of business in India they have been able to create an impression that it is not safe to be in India. Like in an earlier post Spock said his friend while running from India said he is not coming back ..... Rember there were business heads from all over the world present in the hotels at the time of the attack and that shows how important Indian market is to the world economy. Now the message that will go out from these people is that it is not "safe" to be in India.

Hope you now understand the comparison

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that sums it all up!

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Hardly the case. In my view this is not a case of destablizing the region. But rather an aim to spread the influence of Indian in the War against the Terror. With India as a important partner - it gets special NATO style status, which provides you with more weapons and money. That in turn is used against terrorist entities. Which if you hold the current propoganda to be true are based and spreading from Pakistan.

Pakistan is seen as an artificial state by many of those in west. It is problematic in many areas. A nuclear state with a highly sensitive and political strong muslim community, provides active support to China and works independent of US interests even supposedly being a lap dog.

India as a front line state against terror means Pakistan better watch 3 fronts and just not two.

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First you decide on what is Pakistans relationship with US ..... if Pakistan is working independent of US ... it cannot be a lap dog .....

India never wants to be a part of NATO .... doesn't mean much to India. As for weapons and arms ........ last time i checked everyone in the world was falling over each other to sell arms to India so no issues there.

China ..... i am sure the Chinese are thrilled that they have Pakistans support :)

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Pakistan's reputation to quote a US diplomat is "of an ungrateful dog that repeatedly bites its master". Secondly Pakistani currently has better Military status compared to India. I am not sure what the exact phrase is - its applies to countries who are not in NATO but get NATO style access to latest weaponry. Something Pakistan has and India has wanted.

Regarding China real life experience in New York and Geneva has proven that they do infact cherish our support. If I ever have the time I will regal you with my experiences.

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I wouldn't be concerned too much by what the US diplomats say neither should you. As regards weaponary ..... sorry for using the phrase .... but US will sell its soul if it is in its interest. So India does not have to worry about that ..... they just signed off on nuclear deal which no one in the world wanted to give to India. So any weaponary , if India needs, wont be to far in the future.

Regarding the Chinese support ..... I am sure they support Pakistan in New York & Geneva and will continue to do so ....... Actions speak louder then words .... general Niazi was waiting for the Chinese to at least flex its muscles (which US did try with its battle group). But you have to remeber at the end of day every country is for itself. At that time if it does not suit China to support Pakistan .... they will say Au revior. India and Pakistan HAVE to live next to each other ... they like it or not ...... they have to either put up or shut up

You know you grew up in the 90s
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Now that a prominant Newspaper has printed it most won’t reject or even question it but once we (ahmadis) said that during the dictatorship of Zia-ul-Haq we were (and still are) as Jewish/Britsh/Western Agents.

Some of those who still think what happend in Mumbai and elsewhere is a way of Jihad they shall go to the Tumb of Zia-ul-Haq and say thankyou

The Problem with us most Pakistanis is that we only react once it’s too late and the whole world stands next to our door fully armed

I won’t be surprised if everything related India to Pakistan would be cut off even diplomatic ties.

Now regardless who did this or is behind this one things is for sure. Pakistan has a Problem. A deep rooted cancer and sofar did little or nothing to eliminate it.

I’m not talking about Action in Waziristan or FATA but groups like “Sipah-e-Sahaba”, “Lashkar-e-Jhangvi”, “Lashkar-e-Teyyaba” and others who enjoy ties with ISI and Saudis (this is where most of the funding comes from) and the Army finds itself in a war that has been sabotaged from within (ISI officers with radical Islamic views). It’s all known to the Parliament, the PM, The Prez and others in Power but they know quite well that ISi is too powerful to engange in a political encounter. So the best is to ignore it or let the Army Jawans die and the PM talks to the press telling how commited Pakistan is in its war against the Terror.

Many PPL in waziristan/FATA r innocent and targeted by teh Army/Para Military/US Drones and one should not wonder when they take up arms to fight whoever they think is reponsible for the deaths of their loved ones.

Eradicate the fanatics in the Army/ISI and stop bowing down to Saudi Money and let PPL have their own way of Islam. As long as there is no Tolerance in regard to Religion, Ethnicity, Political Ideas, Cultural Back Ground there will be no Peace and Harmony in this Country and such Cancer as stated above will only Grow to deepen it’s roots more and more until … well until maybe a civil war or a war launched against Pakistan.

Now u can start bashing me (An Ahmadi) as an Agent of the West or Idealist or whatever u like. I more than welcome ur statements as it always enlightens me one way or the other :smiley:

You know you grew up in the 90s
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Just the opposite when it comes to Diplomats. Never listen to the official statement. Always listen to the conversation in the cigar room over drinks. Official policy is one thing, conversations that happen in private matter much more. Its rather odd, you say one should not listen to a diplomat, yet then jump to conclusions on the issue you posted up.

Real Politik works. But in today's political loyalty among allies is far more valuable than oil. Thus the joint military alliances which China pays for. Pakistan gets the TOT but puts in very little of the money. Gwadar. EPZ in Karachi and other areas for China only. Chinese industries heavily investing our oil and gas sector as well as providing many of the manfacturing TOT we need.

Congratulations Ginti for completing 1K posts
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ISI chief being requested to come to India sounds to me like "Come teach us, we're incompetent."

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LMAO! My new signature. That was brilliant.

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As a Pakistani you should know the value of Gwadar to China ..... it gives them a presence in the perisian gulf region. Gwadar you could "weight in Gold" and the Chinese would have paid the price. So if you think development in Gwadar was a "help" to Pakistan or even the trans Karakorma road was in any case a favor .....

As they say " there are some things money can buy" ..... a foothold in that region is of immense value to Chinese ..... please dont take it as an interest by them to help Pakistan.

You know you grew up in the 90s
You know you grew up in the 90s
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Dil ke khush rakhne ko Ghalib yeh khayal accha hai

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You as always misconstrue the point. Gwadar is a gesture from the Pakistan Government to China regarding our long and continuing strategic relationship. A country which has had most of its party leadership educated in Pakistan in the 70s and 80s is not one to forget this. And more importantly we give them a Military prescence, they give us the economic support we need. Sadly Zardari is a horrible Leader.

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Well, the comparison is inevitable since Al-Qaida is now purported to be behind it. But come on, is it too much to ask for a bit of creativety? There was one channel which dared to be a wee bit different, by calling it 26/11.

In any case, India is going to cash this for a long time!!!

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ALL THE WAY FROM INDIA…

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Date: Thursday, November 27, 2008, 8:38 PM

A new perspective from India

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Ashish Gupta,

                            I condole your collegue's death. I also share your perspective about the larger picture concerning the state of the Indian Police. 
                           But I want to tell everyone from SJC--we have enjoyed great moments together. And I would have loved to be at the reunion. But people like me (writers) are wanderers; and we have the knack (the wrong kind according to some people) of feeling the pain of people and our nation. Ashish Gupta made us all proud--he is part of that section of the Indian Police which is secular, nationalist and pro-people. 
                      But Ashish and friends of the SJC (you can say that I am crazy but after all I wrote a 2 volume 2000 page book on 1857, the first war of Indian Independence!) I want to ask one question: why are we so blind to the kind of terror attack Mumbai is facing? Why are we not directly blaming the RSS and the Mossad? Why was Karkare and the ATS team, investigating the Malegaon blast and the involvement of Praggya Singh and a whole lot of the saffron brigade killed, almost wiped out?

Please read all I have written below carefully–as I send this mail, Oberoi Hotel is being burned down, Taj is going slowly and a lot more hotels are coming under terrorist attack. Ashish you have to answer this–to history or to God–you very well know that Karkare, Salaskar and Kaamte belonged to the anti-Chota Rajan group. And that Pradeep Sharma, dismissed recently by AN Roy, the Mumbai DGP has in a written affadavit blamed Sharma, the encounter specialist as a perverted individual who committed unspeakable acts of terror and worked for the underworld.
Read again–why was Karkare killed? The whole point of the current terror operation was to kill Karkare and his team who had committed the daring act of exposing the saffron brigade. Karkare was close to exposing the names of Praveen Togadia and Chota Rajan in the Malegaon blasts.
I am in Mumbai, fighting anti-national forces–I have all the memories of masti, song and dance and ******pan I enjoyed with you guys.

               Please help if possible...and cry for the school and the nation that once was...

Mumbai and India Under Attack

It is 4AM in India right now. I am in Mumbai reporting from the ground. I have not slept a wink. Mumbai is under attack. People and forces who killed Mahatama Gandhi, who demolished the Babari Mosque have triumphed. More than 16 groups of terrorists have taken over Taj, Oberai and several hotels. Hundreds of people are dead. For the first time no one is blaming Muslim organizations. The Mumbai ATS chief Hemant Karkare and other officers of the ATS have been killed. These were the same people who were investigating the Malegaon Blasts–in which Praggya Singh, an army officer and several other noted personalities of the BJP-RSS-Bajrang Dal-VHP were arrested. Karkare was the man to arrest them. Karkare was receiving threats from several quarters. LK Advani, the BJP chief and several other prominent leaders of the so-called Hindu terrorism squad were gunning for his head. And the first casualty in the terrorist attack was Karkare! He is dead–gone–the firing by terrorists began from Nariman House–which is the only building in Mumbai inhabited by Jews. Some Hindu Gujaratis of the Nariman area spoke live on several TV channels–they openly said that the firing by terrorists began from Nariman house. And that for two years suspicious activities were going on in this house. But no one took notice.
Our worst fears have come true. It is clear that Mossad is involved in the whole affair. An entire city has been attacked by Mossad and probably units of mercenaries. It is not possible for one single organization to plan and execute such a sophisticated operation. It is clear that this operation was backed by communal forces from within the Indian State. The Home Minister Shivraj Patil should resign. The RSS-BJP-VHP-Bajrang Dal should be banned. Advani and others ought to be arrested. Today is a day of shame for all Indians and all Hindus. Muslims and secular Hindus have been proven right. RSS type forces and Israel are all involved in not only destabilizing but finishing India. India should immediately snap all relations with Israel. We owe this much to Karkare and the brave ATS men who had shown the courage to arrest Praggya Singh, Raj Kumar Purohit, the army officer and several others.
A photograph publushed in Urdu Times, Mumbai, clearly shows that Mossad and ex-Mossad men came to India and met Sadhus and other pro-Hindutva elements recently. A conspiracy was clearly hatched.
This is a moment of reckoning especially for Hindus of India. The killers of Gandhi have struck again. If we are true Sanatanis and true Hindus and true nationalists and true patriots we have to see this act as a clear attack by anti-national deshdrohi forces. Praggya Singh, Advani and the entire brand is anti-national. They ought to be shot. Any Hindu siding with them is hereafter warned of serious consequences.
This is a question of nationalism. If no one else, the Indian army will not take this lying down. Communal, anti-national forces have attacked the very foundation of the Indian constitution and the nation. We will fight a civil war if need be against the pro-Hindutva, communal forces and their Israeli backers.

Amaresh Misra

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Mumbai Terror attacks: The latest

                                                                                    By Amaresh Misra


       This is a follow up to my earlier mail. It is nearly 3.45 PM in India right now. The terror attacks on Mumbai, orchestrated by the RSS-Mossad combine are not in anyone's control now. The entire Mumbai ATS team investigating the Malegaon Blasts and the ring of Hindutva terrorism has been wiped out. 
        RSS sympathisizers are cheering Karkare's death. They say that he fell victim to the `paap' (sin) committed by him in arresting Sadhus etc. 
         Why did Advani meet Man Mohan Singh some days back? What transpired in the meet? How is it that MK Narayanan, the national Security Advisor and the Prime Minister issued an unprecedented defensive statement just days before assuring that there will be no `torture' on the Saadhvi?
        There is obviously a nexus between Advani and Singh. Is Sonia in the knowhow? Another angle: some days back, Pradeep Sharma, the celebrity ex-encounter specialist of the Mumbai Police, was dismissed by AN Roy, the Mumbai DGP and Hasan Ghaffor, the Mumbai Police Commissioner. Official charges against Sharma include working for the Chota Rajan gang, eliminating Muslims at will and "committing unspeakable acts of torture on Muslims". 
           Karkare, Salaskar and Ashok Kaamte, the three Police officers of the ATS killed in the terror attacks, were part of the anti-Pradeep Sharma group. Now the Indian media is talking about the underworld role. It is odd that all three Police ATS officers killed should belong to the anti-Pradeep Sharma, anti-Chota Ranjan group.  
           It seems that there is a nexus between RSS-Mossad and Chota Rajan. Now it must be remembered that in the 1990s, certain elements in the Mumbai Crime Branch had projected Chota Rajan as a `Hindu Don' to counteract Dawood. Rajan was close to the Home Ministry under Advani during NDA years of power between 1999 and 2004. 
           Firing from the Nariman House, the traditional place of Jews in Mumbai is still on; no one from inside Nariman House has been hurt--for some reason the police is not assaulting Nariman House. Now an incredible thing has happened--CROWDS OF HINDUS AND MUSLIMS HAVE COME TOGETHER IN A UNITED BID AGAINST WHAT THEY SEE AS A MOSSAD PLOT. THESE CROWDS ARE SAYING THAT IF THE POLICE IS NOT ASSAULTING NARIMAN HOUSE--THEY WILL DO SO. 
           KARKARE WAS AN INCH AWAY FROM IMPLICATING PRAVEEN TOGADIA AND CHOTA RAJAN IN THE MALEGAON BLAST CASE! 
           THOSE WHO DOUBT WHAT I AM SAYING--WHAT DO THEY HAVE TO SAY NOW? COME ON SPEAK UP--

NOTE: I’ve removed email addresses from your message for the privacy protection of people involved.

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Talking about creativity ..... 9/11 was done by US government and this attack is done by Indian government to deflect attention from probe on hindu terrorists ...... how abut that ? That should suit you .........

Timepass -September 2012
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Equating this to 9/11, would you be surprised if similar conspiracy theories surface?