Generally India does not have to bother about the run rate when ever Tendulkar is there at the crease.The final is still going on and he is playing but is it just me or do you guys also think that Tendulkar was not himself in this Asia Cup? He seemed sedate.
According to Bob Woolmer it was their strategy to try to restrict him to the singles in the Pakistan match. Bowl him on to his pads with protection on the on side.
That was just one match but over all he was just not as aggressive and attacking ? I checked out his strike rate for the Asia Cup and he is lower than Dravid, Jayasuria, Sehwag…
Asia Cup, 2004 Highest Batting Strike Rate
Team
Younis Khan
Shoaib Malik
DPMD Jayawardene
ST Jayasuriya
R Dravid
V Sehwag
Yuvraj Singh
TM Dilshan
M Kaif
MF Maharoof
WS Jayantha
Moin Khan
Abdul Razzaq
UDU Chandana
Inzamam-ul-Haq
KC Sangakkara
PA Patel
SR Tendulkar
SR is 71.87 in the Asia Cup [Right now in the final he is playing on 61 with a SR of 70.11 ]where as his Career Strike rate is 86.26.
So what do you think ?
Perhaps Indian think tank wants him to anchor the innings… His presence does have a psychological effect on the opposition so perhaps that is the Indian strategy. Earlier when ever Tendulkar was at the crease other batsmen used to play the supporting role but it seems in this tournament it is Tendulkar that is playing the sheath anchor while other batsmen are trying to capitalize on the “relaxed” attitude from the opposition towards them once Tendulkar is off strik. But the other seem to be failing around Tendulkar. Happened in the Pak game and agian 5 are down in the Final…
Come on now let's slow down... Forget Tendulkar, what the hell is Yunis Khan doing at the top of the list?
Are you sure that thing is calculated properly
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What I would like to discuss was, Tendulkar unlike the Tendulkar generally is. Like I said kind of sedate and subdued. Content on taking the single. On ARY after the final even Ramiz and Sanjay Manjreker also raised the same point. And Sanjay said [approximately] “The question is not how many shorts Tendulkar played or scored of but how many he attempted” Strike rate is not the issue here and neither am I saying his strike rate is bad. It’s the over all approach to the game that the point of discussion. His approach seemed to take the single and doubles and occupy the crease as much as possible.
If you remember WC match against Pakistan he scored his runs in quick time and that had reduced the pressure of the batsmen to come. Later on Youvraj, Dravid and Kaif had the luxury to take their time. In my view Dravids success depends on Tendulkar or Shewag or for that matter Ganguly scoring quick runs and thus giving Dravid that time to settle. But that is perhaps a subject for a different thread.
I'm not sure why Tendulkar comes in for so much criticism (surprisingly from Indians as well) He's had a pretty good Asia Cup. The problems seem to be that no one else has. Sehwag, Ganguly, Yuvraj and Dravid have not had good tournaments. Maybe Tendulkar isn't quite the destructive force he once was but he's still the man I want out most when he's playing against us.
Unrelated, but this makes me wonder that Shoaib Malik scored more runs and with higher S/R than Jayasuria… and still they gave MoS to Sanath Jayasuria. Not to mention that Malik got 9 wickets in the Asia Cup compared to Sanath’s 4. Something is really screwed up here.
faisal bhai dont bring that up over and again....
its sad and disappoiting....
the lad played his heart out and gets no credit for it....
jaysuria dint win his team any match....
and if malik dint get it, tendlia and pathan were better contenders than jaysuria....
but seems the lankans had a say in the awards and they were biased, just as their umpires r....
and younis played one good mach with a SR of well above 100....
and the rest of his matches were the typical younis khan 20-30 score at almost a run-a-ball....
so no surprises there....
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I'm not sure why Tendulkar comes in for so much criticism (surprisingly from Indians as well) He's had a pretty good Asia Cup. The problems seem to be that no one else has. Sehwag, Ganguly, Yuvraj and Dravid have not had good tournaments. Maybe Tendulkar isn't quite the destructive force he once was but he's still the man I want out most when he's playing against us.
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Exactly !!!
Main reason of India's failure was others around tendulkar couldnot deliver when needed.Specialy Dravid. His failure was very surprising. He is the one who usually finishes it off but inthis tournament he was simply off color.
Talking about Sachin, he is changing his game . He no longer plays the way he used to play before.He has been there for 15 yrs and now he wants to take up the responsibilty of senior batsman of team who wants to be there till it is over and wants likes of Sehwag & Yuvraj to do the blasting.It is sign of maturity.. this is how it goes...remember how Javed used to play in 90s.. Trying to hangaround and build inning around him. One cannot play like flashy,young kid through out his career. It is part of normal growing up in this game.
Well Tendi scored 74 from 100 balls ..... so who was the next best batsman ???? Oh Zaheer Khan with 28 ..... Apart from Tendi the 6 Batsmen shared a pathetic 45 runs between them ..... Still thinking Tendi didn't play well ???? Well then someone need to remind u that CRICKET is a team game ...... India did well in the recent past to get rid of "rely on Tendi" shield ...... but somehow they r in danger to do it again ...... one thing is sure ...... as we've seen Tendi is playing his game in a different way ..... some may suggest he must not do that and better keep it like on 1st March 2003 or in earlier January 2004 at SCG .....
Why is no one daring to question the lack of apetite of runs of the other 5-6 batsmen in this batting line-up ...... What about Gangs himself ..... he should lead from the front ...... what about Yuvi ..... What about Kaif ???? etc. etc.
Matchwinner or not Tendi for sure had to carry a lot of luggage and still doing so ..... but the rest of the lot better think about and do something to share the burden on a consistant basis ......
Exactly !!!
Main reason of India's failure was others around tendulkar couldnot deliver when needed.Specialy Dravid. His failure was very surprising. He is the one who usually finishes it off but inthis tournament he was simply off color.
Talking about Sachin, he is changing his game . He no longer plays the way he used to play before. He has been there for 15 yrs and now he wants to take up the responsibilty of senior batsman of team who wants to be there till it is over and wants likes of Sehwag & Yuvraj to do the blasting.It is sign of maturity.. this is how it goes...remember how Javed used to play in 90s.. Trying to hangaround and build inning around him. One cannot play like flashy,young kid through out his career. It is part of normal growing up in this game.
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F&B. If he is changing his game, he needs to rethink his opening position then. Yes others around him played pathetically but one of the reason they did because Sachin was very slopw and was not rotating the strike as much as he should have. Ofcourse you remember the March 2003 encoucnter with pakistan, he was takign everyone on and thus almost every new batsmen who came in settled in and helped him along. Problem with him yesterday and in the game agaisnt pakistan that he was trying to play the sheet anchor role even when others were strugglign to score. He dint force the issue when indians were say 50-3, a bit of counter attack would have helped Dravid and Yuvraj as they suddenly found themselves requiring 7 runs an over and with a batsmen who cant seem to find gaps regularly and take the bowlers on. Thus they tried to force the issue themselves and paid the price. It seemed like once Sehwag was gone, Indians were not able to pressureize Lankan bowlers. Yes he wants to be a sheet anchor then he shold let Ganguly open who will try to score quickly even when Sehwag is gone early
Excellent point Saby. It would make sense to bring Tendulkar down to Number 4 and open with Sehwag and Yuvi.
First he couldn't captain and bat...now he can't open and bat... does India need to build the team around this guy? I am not saying that he is not good enough to be in the team. ofcourse, he is a legendary batsman and actually a leendary cricketer. But it's time he paves the way for the younger cricketers. I know it's hard for the Indian fans to realize that it's time up for Tendulkar but that's the harsh reality of this sport.
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Well Tendi scored 74 from 100 balls ..... so who was the next best batsman ???? Oh Zaheer Khan with 28 ..... Apart from Tendi the 6 Batsmen shared a pathetic 45 runs between them ..... Still thinking Tendi didn't play well ???? Well then someone need to remind u that CRICKET is a team game ...... India did well in the recent past to get rid of "rely on Tendi" shield ...... but somehow they r in danger to do it again ...... one thing is sure ...... as we've seen Tendi is playing his game in a different way ..... some may suggest he must not do that and better keep it like on 1st March 2003 or in earlier January 2004 at SCG .....
Why is no one daring to question the lack of apetite of runs of the other 5-6 batsmen in this batting line-up ...... What about Gangs himself ..... he should lead from the front ...... what about Yuvi ..... What about Kaif ???? etc. etc.
Matchwinner or not Tendi for sure had to carry a lot of luggage and still doing so ..... but the rest of the lot better think about and do something to share the burden on a consistant basis ......
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Well I was under the impression that Tendulkar is the world’s premier batsmen. So perhaps his standards are different and higher from the others?
As Saby said [Thank you Saby]
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Problem with him yesterday and in the game agaisnt pakistan that * he was trying to play the sheet anchor role even when others were strugglign to score.\B] He dint force the issue when indians were say 50-3, a bit of counter attack would have helped Dravid and Yuvraj as they suddenly found themselves requiring 7 runs an over and with a batsmen who cant seem to find gaps regularly and take the bowlers on. Thus they tried to force the issue themselves and paid the price. It seemed like once Sehwag was gone, Indians were not able to pressureize Lankan bowlers.
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As for cricket being a team game a team is made up of individuals where individuals that have to play to their “potential”. If one individual had the potential and the talent then why should he not be expected more of?
Defiantly all the others also have to contribute and do “their” part. And that is what this is about. About Tendi doing “his” part and in the way that is best for the team.
Tendulkar should have died fighting. That is what champions do..I was disappointed to see his innings against Pakistan and Srilanka. He is capable of doing a lot more.
Australia would never have settled the way India did in the final. Zaheer Khan’s two sixes to Murli were an indication that India could have given a fight even after Tendulkar’s wicket. All they wanted to do was lose with prestige, if there is such a thing.
I think the main idiot in the team is Ganguly. He is dictating Tendulkar’s game from the dressing room. He isn’t allowing the guy to be himself hence the result.
*When everyone called him "the best batsman in the world", I called him a choker on these forums(and got flamed quite badly for it). Now everyone is getting on the bandwagon and referring to him by the same word; bunch of sheep. As I have ALWAYS said, Sachin is WAY overrated. Really. People, That Is All.*
Against Pakistan it’s easy for Sachin to attack as our bowlers don’t bowl to contain which is definitely the only option against a class act like Sachin. But think about it…it’s probably the best way to bowl at any outstanding strokeplayer…Lara, Inzimam and so on. As for Ganguly opening, he has effectively done that in this tournament anyway with the regular failures of Sehwag.
Sachin is still a great player and the reason India didn’t perform in this tournament is the lack of contributions from the rest of the batsmen. An opening bat making good scores with a strike rate of 70 + can’t be blamed for his team’s failings. Look at who’s top of the strike rate list…Younis “Hong Kong” Khan - I wonder how he got his strike rate up?
I guess thrashing Hong Kong must make him a better player than Inzi who along with Sachin is at the bottom of the list?
You are entitled to your view of Tendi being a choker but that was not my intention. If any thing it is just about Tendulkar's new approach. Read again I am talking about this tournament in specific. It is here that he seems to have changed this game from active and attacking to passive or like I said sedate. Saby explained it well
As for the list it was just an indicator that his strike rate was below “his” career strike rate and as was also quite down the list by his standards.
