Imagine that your grandchildern can pick exactly how their babies will look, think, and act. Your family curse of breast cancer or cystic fibrosis or early heart attack or diabetes that most of Pakistanis suffer from - not to mention the dyslexia, fat thighs, shyness, or male-pattern baldness - will be vanguish in a sigle stroke. [Emphasis one word “STROKE”] Your grandchildern will be as lean, literate, loquacious, and long-lived as their parents want them to be!
How does that grab you?
Imagine: If you could dictate the content of your kid’s genes, wouldn’t you? SHOULDN’T YOU?
It will happen, what is your standing on this topic?
Take it easy!
V~V~VHe came, He saw, He conqueredV~V~V**
[This message has been edited by The Watcher (edited November 07, 2000).]
Watcher,
wow, this topic is somewhat what like what i just did a report on. I did it on cloning, but this topic runs parallel to it.
I just think it's totally pathetic. I don't agree with all this bs where people go out and choose what they want their children to be, not what they could have naturally been.
one part of my report was:
"The first successfully conceived in vitro baby, Louise Brown was over come by grief when she heard that the doctor who had artificially conceived her had died. She said, "I feel that I have lost the person who made me"...she says clearly that as if the role once reserved to God and parents had now passed to the scientist in the white coat."
Yes Sehar, I agree. Cloning is indeed a pathetic advancement in human future. I think, as long as it is kept with in the "animal" kingdom, it is fine with me. But, creating babies and that sort of stuff, really degrades value of God and makes him somewhat a thing of the past. Which is totally wrong, and will mislead others. :)
I read a New York Times article where scientists had cloned a human ear on the back of a mouse…so cloning even for the “animal” kingdom is not good because they said if deadly genes are released into the environment, it could be disasterous because the genes would be unnatural and the environment hasn’t been exposed to it…
watcher and sehar,
im for it as long as its for treatment of diseases and etc..but knowing the human nature, we will go on to the concept of blue eyes, brown hair and being tall adn all so i agree with you guys as to not even take the first step....
Yesterday is history,
Tommorow is a mystery,
Today is a gift,
That's why we call it PRESENT!
ahaaaaaannn .. well i don't think we shud mess around with nature ....its' best left as it is.... infact its dangerous to mess around ne way... isn't it...? ;)
I believe that imagination is stronger than **knowledge.
*That myth is more potent than **history.
*That dreams are more powerful than **facts.
*That hope always triumphs over **experience.
*That laughter is the only cure for **grief.
*And I believe that love is stronger than **death*.
I wonder if is a good thing to be able to choose some things. I mean, other than eliminating, as far as possible, illness or mental or physical handicaps, are there things that it would be good to be able to choose? Many of these are dictated by cultural norms - blond hair and blue eyes, for example. And many other characteristics, including intelligence, are a result of the interaction of several (even many) genes or a result of the combitation of genes and environment or nurture. It's not really very straightforward. Do we want to do potentially disastrous experiments on human beings?
ummm…you take a cell…and starve it…and then implant it in a mothor…and a baby is born…so whats playing GOD in this (Ya Allah hum par raham farma)…What I mean to say it…The cell was alive…the parents are alive…you didnt take a sack of carben and phosforus and all that and make baby out of it and then injected life into it… You just took a cell…Like I am not saying that I am for OR against it…but someone explain to me whats playing GOD in this…just imagine…If you can grow organs in the same way…and then isnt heart transplant playing GOD…its a purely scientific proceedure…what about those those…ummm…those…errr…thingies that they put in the heart to give it a constant clocking signal so that it keep going :D…I mean then the person is effactively running on batteries…what about that…Is it playing GOD???..NO if you ask me…so as long as its scientific biological studies and the likes (AND it doesnt get out of hand)…I think its okie…
and guys you have been eating cloned veggies for quite sometime now…so get over it
Personally, I don't agree with things like gentically modifiying the featus to give him/her blue eyes/blond hair/better intellect ? that sort of thing. Not from a 'playing God' perspective (there is nothing we humans can do that remotely comes close to what Allah can do) but from the point of view that you'd have 'designer kids' everywhere and it would become a 'fad'. Playing with nature simply because 'you can', is not something I agree with. Others are welcome to their own opinions.
However,if you could use this technique to eliminate a deadly disease which has been in the family for generations, then I don't have any objections. If you're using it for a legitimate purpose, then its Ok, but if its done because we have the knowledge and power to piss around with nature.. then I think thats wrong.
I think the problem isn't with the idea of cloning, but with mans errors and haste.
How many times have we seen an innovation, only to find out years later that it caused us harm. Look at vCJD (form of Mad Cow disease), Mobile phones, Electric Pylons (Cancer links), Preservatives in food, Nuclear testing, etc etc..
Who is to say that if we allow human cloning that we won't end up with a society of disabled humans?
Is it right to modify a babies DNA so that it doesn't carry a heriditary disease?
On the same front, what about choosing the sex, hair colour, eye colour etc?
Is that not playing god?
who--me: taking a cell, fertilising it and implanting it into the womb may sound plausible, but what about modifying the DNA of the cell and then implanting it?
In the last few months, they have tested a new treatment for diabetes by extracting cells from the pancreas of babies in the womb.
After all, whats a few human babies here and there if it means that I won't have diabetes in the future.. right?
I'm not against progres.. far from it but we have to think carefully, where is the line between progress and madness??
When you do the job of God, you think you are equal to him. When you play God[as Kaka M said] there are bad consequences. Lets say someone clons somebody, he is more likely to say that "I created her/him" which isn't really true. As most of us have been saying, as long as its for treament of diseases and such we don't have any problem with that. But, when we start to take charge of "CREATING" someone that really says, BESDIES God, we can also create things.
Some say cell is alive, well "who" has kept it alive? Its Gods will that cell is alive, he wants someone be born from that cell. If he didn't, the cell would be dead. :)
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Originally posted by CoolDude:
**I think the problem isn't with the idea of cloning, but with mans errors and haste.
How many times have we seen an innovation, only to find out years later that it caused us harm. Look at vCJD (form of Mad Cow disease), Mobile phones, Electric Pylons (Cancer links), Preservatives in food, Nuclear testing, etc etc..
Who is to say that if we allow human cloning that we won't end up with a society of disabled humans?
Is it right to modify a babies DNA so that it doesn't carry a heriditary disease?
On the same front, what about choosing the sex, hair colour, eye colour etc?
Is that not playing god?
who--me: taking a cell, fertilising it and implanting it into the womb may sound plausible, but what about modifying the DNA of the cell and then implanting it?
In the last few months, they have tested a new treatment for diabetes by extracting cells from the pancreas of babies in the womb.
After all, whats a few human babies here and there if it means that I won't have diabetes in the future.. right?
I'm not against progres.. far from it but we have to think carefully, where is the line between progress and madness??**
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Bhaya yahi to main keh raha hoom........
we shouldnt stop doing it from playing GOD propective......offcourse I can give you a million and 1 reasons for not doing it......but playing GOD isnt one of it....cuz no one is
There's nothing wrong with science and progress in itself. It's just that human nature being what it is, you can bet these techniques will be used for the wrong purposes. In the sub-continent, what would be the impact if hospitals spring up that can deliver babies made to order? Or China for that matter where couples are only allowed to have one child?
In my opinion, people are too stupid to be given these choices. Cloning might well bring great advances in medicine, and I am sure that there is lots of good that come out of it as well. But where money's involved ethics tends to go out the window. It is bound to go pear-shaped in the end.
Your grandchildern will be as lean, literate, loquacious, and long-lived as their parents want them to be!
