No one is praying to the idols, you are only assuming things about other muslims who don't agree with you on certain things and this is just sad.
sister, how does praying directly to dead people is different from praying directly to idols when we know both cannot benefit anyone? How is it different from a Christian praying to Prophet Issa (peace be upon him)? How I am assuming when you people promote such aqeedah? The first post of this thread which you agree with is trying to prove that we can pray directly to Prophet (sal-allahu 'alayhi wa salam) and he can benefit us or make du'a for us, etc. This is contrary to what some of the ulama said about permissible tawassul. And let me remind you that the ulama differed over the permissible tawassul and it is bid'ah the least. So to say that it is something stated by majority of the ulama or it is clear cut issue or it was practiced by Salaf is completely wrong!
in other thread you were calling me rafai and now you're calling me kawthri, make up your mind.
Please sister fear Allah Ta'ala.
1 - I never called you a rafidha if that's what you meant by "rafai" unless you can show me! Otherwise, I don't know even know what rafai you're talking about.
2 - I never called you kawthari; if you take your stuff from scholars belonging to al-kawthari group, it doesn't mean you're being called kawthari.
So in short the answer to my question is No. No Hadith exists in 6 Sahih books that shows Tawassul by directly calling upon Prophet saw was practiced by Sahaba.
While i have no intention to pass fatwa on those who do, the evidence for my own self is clear, i won't do it. And it also shows that it is something that gradually came into practice.
There is no hadith exists in 6 sahih that show tawassul through Prophet(SAW) after he's passed away is prohibited (ref to Tirmadhi ,the blind man hadith). And I don't see the reason why we shouldn't consider other books of ahadith as truth when the chains are mutawatir and isnad are sahih.
Also, when we do tawassul we do it through the good deeds of a pious man(dead or alive) not for his life or death.
1 - There are no 6 saheeh books of hadith. There are only two: Bukhari and Muslim. Rest of the four books are known as sunnan. Ashabul hadith even differe over which book of hadith belong to second category.
2 - We take all the saheeh ahadith whether they're found in the 6 well known books or not.
sister, how does praying directly to dead people is different from praying directly to idols when we know both cannot benefit anyone? How is it different from a Christian praying to Prophet Issa (peace be upon him)? How I am assuming when you people promote such aqeedah? The first post of this thread which you agree with is trying to prove that we can pray directly to Prophet (sal-allahu 'alayhi wa salam) and he can benefit us or make du'a for us, etc. This is contrary to what some of the ulama said about permissible tawassul. And let me remind you that the ulama differed over the permissible tawassul and it is bid'ah the least. So to say that it is something stated by majority of the ulama or it is clear cut issue or it was practiced by Salaf is completely wrong!
I thought you weren't going to argue with me because I'm blind follower, you can't resist can you?
Please sister fear Allah Ta'ala.
1 - I never called you a rafidha if that's what you meant by "rafai" unless you can show me! Otherwise, I don't know even know what rafai you're talking about.
2 - I never called you kawthari; if you take your stuff from scholars belonging to al-kawthari group, it doesn't mean you're being called kawthari.
because you're a blind follower of al-kawthari group.
I thought you weren't going to argue with me because I'm blind follower, you can't resist can you?
it is only with the hope that Allah Ta'ala will open your heart to truth, insha'Allah. This is my last post and then i'm done here, insha'Allah
Brother please fear Allah.
may Allah Ta'ala make me among those, ameen. I understand that my earlier statement was misleading that's why I clarified my point the second time but I retract from it and may Allah Ta'ala forgive me, ameen. But please sister don't forget to show me where I called you "rafai".
for the benefits of everyone, I'll share an introduction to this issue by a student of knowledge:
[quote] Types of Tawassul
1) To call upon other than Allah for a need, such as rain, etc, while believing that the one being addressed will answer the call is Shirk by agreement. For example: O Prophet! Send us rain!
2) To call upon other than Allah for a need, such as rain, etc, while believing that only Allah will answer the call is Shirk, by agreement. For example: O Prophet! Send us rain!
3) To call upon other than Allah, asking them to intercede for us with Allah is also Shirk. For example: O Prophet! Intercede for us with Allah!
4) To call upon the Prophet, asking him to make dua for us is Shirk. For example: O Prophet! Ask Allah to grant us rain!
5) To call upon Allah alone, asking Him by His Prophet is a valid difference of opinion in Fiqh where none is censured. For example: O Allah! I ask you alone by Your noble Prophet!
it is only with the hope that Allah Ta'ala will open your heart to truth, insha'Allah. This is my last post and then i'm done here, insha'Allah
InshaAllah and bye bye.
may Allah Ta'ala make me among those, ameen. I understand that my earlier statement was misleading that's why I clarified my point the second time but I retract from it and may Allah Ta'ala forgive me, ameen. But please sister don't forget to show me where I called you "rafai".
What's the point? You gonna deny that as well.
for the benefits of everyone, I'll share an introduction to this issue by a student of knowledge:
There is no hadith exists in 6 sahih that show tawassul through Prophet(SAW) after he's passed away is prohibited (ref to Tirmadhi ,the blind man hadith). And I don't see the reason why we shouldn't consider other books of ahadith as truth when the chains are mutawatir and isnad are sahih.
Also, when we do tawassul we do it through the good deeds of a pious man(dead or alive) not for his life or death.
I am not saying that it is prohibited or not, what i am saying that it was not practiced among early muslims.
Abdullah. the freed slave of Asma' (the daughter of Abu Bakr). the maternal uncle of the son of 'Ata, reported: Asma' sent me to 'Abdullah b. 'Umar saying: The news has reached me that you prohibit the use of three things: the striped robe. saddle cloth made of red silk. and the fasting in the holy month of Rajab. 'Abdullah said to me: So far as what you say about fasting in the month of Rajab, how about one who observes continuous fasting? -and so far as what you say about the striped garment, I heard Umar b. Khatab say that he had heard from Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him): He who wears silk garment has no share for him (in the Hereafter), and I am afraid it may not be that striped garment; and so far as the red saddle clotb is concerned that is the saddle cloth of Abdullah and it is red. I went back to Asma' and informed her. whereupon she said: Here is the cloak of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him). and she brought out to me that cloak made of Persian cloth with a hem of brocade, and its sleeves bordered with brocade and said: This wall Allah's Messenger's cloak with 'A'isha until she died, and when she died. I got possession of it. The Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) used to wear that, and we waslied it for the sick and sought cure thereby.
I am sorry for not posting the scanned pages, these new scanners are very complicated to operate.. i'll try to do it again today, hopefully i'll post it tonite.