Re: Target killing, Terrorism and Violence in my Baluchistan
Every country have some problems but they deal with their problems with their intelligentsia. ( I am always sorry for my poor English)
As much I know all active intelligence agencies of the world are civilians and they work with their intelligent and brilliant people but we depend on our intermediate pass intellectuals who are working there as a posting only. If they claim some success in Afghan war of 80s that was success of CIA. Even if you remember 1965 war it was great failure of intelligence. In presence of big threat due to operation Gibraltar and a war on Kashmir front they could not know about attack on Lahore. I remeber the braveness of Major Shafqat Baluch and Major Aziz Bhatti Shaheed who made it possible to stop the Indian attack. I also remember the brave soldiers at Chawindah Sector who stopped the world’s second biggest armed attack by their personal braveness, I also remember the worlds most brave soldiers who fought at Hilly sector of East Pakistan in 1971 but on the other hand these all events are proof of intelligence failure.
How can we rely on these people especially when they are active against our own people.
We can still change the situation but that is possible only if we can first fight with corruption and injustice .
My Khan Khan of Pakistan
Re: Target killing, Terrorism and Violence in my Baluchistan
Thank you for feeling some pain for my Balochs.
Baluchs are great people facing since long but their new generation have changed the strategy.
You can not treat them now as a colony but it is beyond thinking of our Intermediate pass intellectuals .
I know they are not saints but why do you always only blame the military?
We have so-called democracy and a civilian administration in Islamabad. Please enlighten us about steps the PPP government and invisible opposition have taken over the past 3.5 years to address the grievances of the Baloch people!!
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I know they are not saints but why do you always only blame the military?
We have so-called democracy and a civilian administration in Islamabad. Please enlighten us about steps the PPP government and invisible opposition have taken over the past 3.5 years to address the grievances of the Baloch people!!
It is really very very weak democracy and they could nothing but thinking themselves a partner in ..........
But if this time could pass and we reached to next elections and if there a free and fair election, the things could be start developing.
It is not hating army, It is better to point out their faults.
They will have to go back to their barracks, They can do nothing for us except harming us if they try some thing else than their professional work.
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I may sound cold, but I don't feel much for whats happening in Balochistan. This is mainly because when a movement starts killing innocent people and occupying their properties as was the case with balochs doing it to non-balochs in balochistan, they lose public backing. And I am not talking about a killing once in a while, but systematic killing of thousands of punjabis and urdu-speaking people. I wonder where were these burger people at that time who are condemning the violence now?
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This is the violence basically managed by the enimies of Pakistan and they are using new persons. I feel that most Baluch leaders are also surprised with the situation and situation is going out of their control but I am against the tackling the situation . This can be dealt more easily through some better way but our people dealing are not capable.
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My friends in Balochistan also feel the same. A lot do not know ad trust what is going on. There are missing people. They are not sure who exactly have taken these but most blame the army and intelligence. We blame india, w blame israel but what has Pakistan done for Balochistan in the last 64 years?
One step forward would be punishing Musharaf for killing Bugti. Musharaf nessed Balochistan up and he can be sacrificed for peace in balochistan.
Anywhere anything goes wrong in India, we blame it to India, US & Israel. We have a Ostrich mentality. Even if we agree to this notion, my question is:Is India, US or Israel so powerful that they can do anything inside Pakistan and we are just spectators. This should be changed. We spend millions and billion on our armed forces, without accountability. It seem they are strong only in our school textbooks. On ground they are defeated by the evil troika.
Re: Target killing, Terrorism and Violence in my Baluchistan
I may sound cold, but I don't feel much for whats happening in Balochistan. This is mainly because when a movement starts killing innocent people and occupying their properties as was the case with balochs doing it to non-balochs in balochistan, they lose public backing. And I am not talking about a killing once in a while, but systematic killing of thousands of punjabis and urdu-speaking people. I wonder where were these burger people at that time who are condemning the violence now?
With heavy heart, I am going to agree with you on this. Quetta was a large multi ethnic city, but Baluch nationalists have murdered and killed the non Baloch inhabitants. You never get the likes of Nusrat Javed condemning that.
If I was a Baloch, I would get rid of my tribal chiefs, who exploit them badly. And Bugti was nothing but a robber baron.
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With heavy heart, I am going to agree with you on this. Quetta was a large multi ethnic city, but Baluch nationalists have murdered and killed the non Baloch inhabitants. You never get the likes of Nusrat Javed condemning that.
If I was a Baloch, I would get rid of my tribal chiefs, who exploit them badly. And Bugti was nothing but a robber baron.
I asked this question from one during my visit there.
His reply was simple.
" You are killing us since 48 and we killed no one except fighting ones in 60 years, You bombed on our innocent people. You picked our innocent people and killed them, Now we are doing same . Why you became angry."
Re: Target killing, Terrorism and Violence in my Baluchistan
I asked this question from one during my visit there.
His reply was simple.
" You are killing us since 48 and we killed no one except fighting ones in 60 years, You bombed on our innocent people. You picked our innocent people and killed them, Now we are doing same . Why you became angry."
I have lived in Baluchistan for over a quarter of a century and I assure you that it was never Pakistan who exploited the balochs. It has ALWAYS BEEN baloch sardars and landlords. I will give you a very simple and concrete example. Bugti was like a god in dera bugti.... people almost worshipped him and he was all in all. He received millions in royalty from the govt. of pakistan for four decades. If sardars are so sincere with the baloch people, then why is dera bugti the most backward, stinking and pathetic place on earth ? couldn't the all so sincere sardar build roads, schools, hospitals?
Infact, everytime that the govt tried to build roads, schools, hospitals in balochistan, these same baloch sardars instigated the young baloch that the govt was trying to "exploit the baloch"..... I still remember that the mengal sardars were dead against the karachi-quetta national highway and had lots of fights with the govt. Today, that highway is a vital backbone for trade for balochistan and it is on the same highway that these thugs regularly loot people nowadays.
Anyways, you get the gist of things. Basically the nationalist and poisonous factions of balochs have ruined balochistan for 50 years by pushing out the talented teachers, engineers and doctors.
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I don't agree entirely with Snowy. Pakistan has exploited Baluchistan, but the social structure of the Baloch has also retarded their growth. Essentially, we have a primitive tribal set up, which actually helps the Pakistani establishment. For example, in the 1970s, the Bugti tribe and their chief supported Pakistan, while the Magsi tribe fought against the army. Bugti was actually the governor of Baluchistan then. During Musharafs time, it was the turn of the Bugtis to fight, with the Magsis staying neutral. A Bugti subtribe, the Katpar are actually fighting with the army. In addition, eastern Baluchistan includes numerous Jat clans, which belong to the Baloch tribes, effectively slaves. Most of the Jat farmers have welcomed the military action. So unlike say a certain other minority, then mobilize within seconds, for our Baloch brothers, any response would take decades.
Re: Target killing, Terrorism and Violence in my Baluchistan
**QUETTA: ****Chief of Army Staff General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani outrightly rejected involvement of army and intelligence agencies in disposing of mutilated bodies in Balochistan, Express 24/7 reported on Monday.****He said no army operation is being carried out in any part of Balochistan.
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The Army chief was speaking to journalists on the eve of the inauguration of the Garrison Sports Academy and the Institutes of Medical Sciences in Quetta.
In a recent report, Human Rights Watch accused soldiers, police and intelligence agencies in Pakistan of torturing and killing activists in a campaign to quash a separatist movement in Balochistan.
The rights group’s report, entitled “We Can Torture, Kill, or Keep You for Years”, documented cases of uniformed paramilitary troops, police and the much-feared ISI intelligence agency being involved in the abductions.
(Read: “We Can Torture, Kill, or Keep You for Years”)](“We Can Torture, Kill, or Keep You for Years”: Enforced Disappearances by Pakistan Security Forces in Balochistan | HRW) General Kayani said maintainence of law and order is the responsibility of the provincial government, and the army is there for assistance.
Regarding the newly established institute, **that cost Rs5 bn, he said 80% of the seats will be reserved for the people of Balochistan.
** http://tribune.com.pk/story/221948/no-army-operation-in-balochistan-general-kayani/
Re: Target killing, Terrorism and Violence in my Baluchistan
I don't agree entirely with Snowy. Pakistan has exploited Baluchistan, but the social structure of the Baloch has also retarded their growth. Essentially, we have a primitive tribal set up, which actually helps the Pakistani establishment. For example, in the 1970s, the Bugti tribe and their chief supported Pakistan, while the Magsi tribe fought against the army. Bugti was actually the governor of Baluchistan then. During Musharafs time, it was the turn of the Bugtis to fight, with the Magsis staying neutral. A Bugti subtribe, the Katpar are actually fighting with the army. In addition, eastern Baluchistan includes numerous Jat clans, which belong to the Baloch tribes, effectively slaves. Most of the Jat farmers have welcomed the military action. So unlike say a certain other minority, then mobilize within seconds, for our Baloch brothers, any response would take decades.
You are right to the extent that the state should have intervened in any case and should have tried hard for development. But these tribal loyalties are so deep entrenched that its really hard to make progress without the consent of baloch sardars.
Regarding Bugti, while I obviously don't agree with the way he kept his areas backward, there is no doubt that he was never anti-pakistan like other baloch sardars. In fact, when he was governor of balochistan, he accomplished tremendous progress like roads and infrastructure, but only in Quetta, never in his constituency.
Anyways, the only way forward for balochistan in my humble opinion involves at least the following steps:
Talking to neutral baloch sardars to support pakistan and give the people of these tribes incentives
Crushing with an iron fist, terrorist organizations like BLA. Trust me, they are not here to actually "solve" the problems of baloch. They are indian funded, not-likely-muslims who will never come to the table, no matter what pakistan offers them. By pacifying them and requesting them again and again and by letting them scot off free after killing innocent people, the only thing pakistan will achieve is give them more encouragement to kill people and separate balochistan.
Ignore american instructions on Gwadar and work really hard on making it an international level port. Progress will generate revenue and jobs which will automatically take baloch youth's mind off the negative activities and will help pakistan prosper.
Investigate and give a tit-for-tat response to India for its involvement in Balochistan. Trust me, if we don't do it now, eventually they will succeed in seprating balochistan or at least in separating parts of it from Pakistan. And for this job, the person that we really don't need is the MI6 agent Rehman Malik....we need some real patriotic pakistani to take over the control and give a befitting response to India. There are too many separatist movements going on in India, we should teach them a lesson that if they support balochs in pakistan, its not that hard to support naxalites for example in India.
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No one can believe, I find him worried about Baluchistan but I am not satisfied with their capability.
Better we restore Baluchistan at the position of 1955 changing states into sub provinces and giving them special status to develop in small economic hubs by giving those special tax holidays with special laws.
Re: Target killing, Terrorism and Violence in my Baluchistan
Situation was worst after assassination Shaheed Akbar Bugti but Baluch government of the province and actions of federal government against traitor killer Musharraf has given some hope to our Baluchs .
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The situation became worst during the period of the great hope as mutilated bodies of Baloch militants started appearing. With the reduction of these the situation is normalising.
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Now you are bias only , and mutilated bodies are still recovering but any good move and settlement can stop this now . Actually Mush regime is now totally out of top brass of our army . These new people are not aggressive as them and they are also doing better in KPK and FATA . You should also be aware that there was a foolish move was also in Baluchistan to promote so called good Taliban to down the Baluch nationalists .
