Yes it is! Because this is a new form of Satanic act. He comes in different forms, you never know. Kufar e Makkah thought that the way they worship, it is from from the teaching of their saints and their Prophets. but it was not.
posted by Intuit
So Intuit all Raffadess(Shias) think like you. That praying Taraweeh
is satanic. I must gave you credit for one thing that your not doing
TAKEEYAi-e hiding your true feelings.
well......what i beleieve is we r never gonna agree on this thing........for the simple reason ...shiaz dont regard sahbah's jammaat as worth anything(most of sahbah according to thier beilieve became murtid nauzobillah) and sunnis believe that some thing on which sahbahs made an ijmah is binding.........so the difference is between which sources r acceptable and which r not.......waste ur energy we r never gonna reach a consensus on certain issues.......so plz either openly discus the root cause or spend ur energies more productively............
wamaalina illalbalagh
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Taraweeh In Jamaa`ah
The Messenger of Allah (saas) was the first to establish the Sunnah of congregational, jamaa`ah prayer of taraweeh in the Masjid. Then he did not continue with the Sunnah for fear that it might be made mandatory on the Ummah in Ramadan, and they might not be able to do it. In the books of Bukhari and Muslim, 'Aishah (raa) has been reported as saying:
"The Messenger of Allah (saas) observed Taraweeh prayer in the Masjid one night and people prayed with him. He repeated the following night and the number of participants grew. The companions congregated the third and fourth night, but the Messenger did not show up. In the morning he told them, "I saw what you did last night, but nothing prevented me from joining you except my fear that it might be made mandatory on you in Ramadan."
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This is clear fabrication in the meaning of Hadith. See how bad it is. Very bad. See how they take the advantage of lack of knowledge of innocent people and introduced words of their interest in the means of Hadith. There word Taraweeh is not in the actual Hadith but the translator used it in the meaning to show that it was used in the life of Holy Prophet (PBUH).
If there was congregation held that was not for the Taraweeh prayer. That was for the mid-night prayer, (Tahajjud, Qyam ul Lail)
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“He did not like the sight a bit” 'Umar said, `I thought it would be better to gather these under one Imam'.
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Hazrat Umar never gave those reasons, which his followers are giving now a days. He simply did like people praying individually so order them to pray in congregation and next day he liked people praying in congregation. He never gave the reason of FEAR. Neither anybody else gave.
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the Messenger of Allah himself who started jama'ah by praying in congregation the first and second day, then stopped only as he feared it would become mandatory.
After his death, the fear of Taraweeh becoming mandatory (Fard) was not only remote, it was impossible. With the death of the Prophet Muhammad (saas), there will be no more revelation to change any law or rule by abrogation.
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Gandalf wrote very well:
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If the prophet (pbuh) STOPPED this practice of praying in congregation, out of fear of WHATEVER reason, the BOTTOM line is that it was STOPPED by him (pbuh).
As such, we should maintain his practice - praying individually rather than in congregation.
Surah AL-AHZAB, verse 36: "It is not fitting for a Believer, man or woman, when a matter has been decided by Allah and His Messenger to have any option about their decision: if any one disobeys Allah and His Messenger, he is indeed on a clearly wrong Path"
Also, the prophet (pbuh) does not decide anything on his own or fear for this or that. Every command / instruction that he gives is from Allah (swt)
Surah al Maidah verse 92 "Obey Allah and Obey his Prophet and worry, and be warned that the Prophet's duty is only to deliver the message clearly"
So all this idea that the prophet (pbuh) feared for his people that these prayers will become obligatory is false. He (swt) does/say/acts ONLY in the way Allah (swt) tells him.
As such, his prohibition NOT to pray taraweeh prayers like how it is currently being done is an order from Allah (swt). And whoever continues to pray it in this manner is violating Allah (swt)'s commandments.
Do you think he would have prohibited these prayers if it was indeed as good as what you make it out to be and if Allah (swt) approved of it?
Don't come and tell me that ordinary people know better than Allah (swt) & his prophet (pbuh).
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Taraweeh is not in harmony with the principles of Islam. Rasool Allah [saww] gave clear orders that NON COMPULSORY CONGREGATIONAL PRAYERS should be offered individually in the homes.
Prophet[saww] got angry with the people who insisted on him offering Tarawih prayers (in congregation)
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Narrated Zaid bin Thabit:
Allah's Apostle made a small room (with a palm leaf mat). Allah's Apostle came out (of his house) and prayed in it. Some men came and joined him in his prayer. Then again the next night they came for the prayer, but Allah's Apostle delayed and did not come out to them. So they raised their voices and knocked the door with small stones (to draw his attention). He came out to them in a state of ANGER, saying, "You are still insisting (on your deed, i.e. Tarawih prayer in the mosque) that I thought that this prayer (Tarawih) might become obligatory on you. So you people, offer this prayer at your homes, for the best prayer of a person is the one which he offers at home, except the compulsory (congregational) prayer."
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 8, Book 73, Number 134
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See….It was a small room (with a palm leaf mat)
The Holy Prophet (PBUH) got Angry with the people who insisted on him offering Taraweeh.
The Holy Prophet (PBUH) ordered people to pray night prayer at their home and he (PBUH) told them the merits of praying at home.
Spend some time in reading I hope this will help you to understand the matter and you will agree.
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rehman1 wrote:
I think(my opinion), if the action of Hazrat Umr Farooq(r.a)
was done in the life time of Prophet Muhammad(SAW) than
it can be followed with out any question.
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*Originally posted by inuit: *
This is clear fabrication in the meaning of Hadith. See how bad it is. Very bad. See how they take the advantage of lack of knowledge of innocent people and introduced words of their interest in the means of Hadith. There word Taraweeh is not in the actual Hadith but the translator used it in the meaning to show that it was used in the life of Holy Prophet (PBUH).
If there was congregation held that was not for the Taraweeh prayer. That was for the mid-night prayer, (Tahajjud, Qyam ul Lail)
Hazrat Umar never gave those reasons, which his followers are giving now a days. He simply did like people praying individually so order them to pray in congregation and next day he liked people praying in congregation. He never gave the reason of FEAR. Neither anybody else gave.
Gandalf wrote very well:
Taraweeh is not in harmony with the principles of Islam. Rasool Allah [saww] gave clear orders that NON COMPULSORY CONGREGATIONAL PRAYERS should be offered individually in the homes.
Prophet[saww] got angry with the people who insisted on him offering Tarawih prayers (in congregation)
See….It was a small room (with a palm leaf mat)
The Holy Prophet (PBUH) got Angry with the people who insisted on him offering Taraweeh.
The Holy Prophet (PBUH) ordered people to pray night prayer at their home and he (PBUH) told them the merits of praying at home.
Spend some time in reading I hope this will help you to understand the matter and you will agree.
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Taraweeh is not in harmony with the principles of Islam. Rasool Allah [saww] gave clear orders that NON COMPULSORY CONGREGATIONAL PRAYERS should be offered individually in the homes.
Do you actually know the meaning of CONGREGATION.
Taraweeh is Sunnah of Holy Prophet(peace be upon him).
And i said earlier it was revived by Hazrat Umr Farooq(RA).
And you keep on qouting Hadiths, Holy Prophet and Koran.
As if you and people like you believe in them.
You believe more in Imams and their teachings.
Koran ke baad Allah ka Kaalaam perfect hugiyaaaaaaa.
All divine messages ended.
Brother Inuit;
In another thread, where Muwayah was being praised, someone actually wrote that Imam Ali (as) was not superior to Muwayah, father of the accursed.
Take my advice and let it go. Read their posts and smile. Let them do what they want and we will grab on to the ahl-bait (as) whom the prophet (pbuh) likened to Noah's (as) ark.
Look at who we follow and look at them - Aisha, Muwayah, Yazid, Haroon Rashid, etc.
Don't get angry.
Take care bro and dont waste your time posting arguments. Your time is very precious.
ws
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*Originally posted by Gandalf: *
Brother Inuit;
In another thread, where Muwayah was being praised, someone actually wrote that Imam Ali (as) was not superior to Muwayah, father of the accursed.
Take my advice and let it go. Read their posts and smile. Let them do what they want and we will grab on to the ahl-bait (as) whom the prophet (pbuh) likened to Noah's (as) ark.
Look at who we follow and look at them - Aisha, Muwayah, Yazid, Haroon Rashid, etc.
Don't get angry.
Take care bro and dont waste your time posting arguments. Your time is very precious.
ws
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YUSUFALI: And remember We took from the prophets their covenant: As (We did) from thee: from Noah, Abraham, Moses, and Jesus the son of Mary: We took from them a solemn covenant:
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SHAKIR: He has made plain to you of the religion what He enjoined upon Nuh and that which We have revealed to you and that which We enjoined upon Ibrahim and Musa and Isa that keep to obedience and be not divided therein; hard to the unbelievers is that which you call them to; Allah chooses for Himself whom He pleases, and guides to Himself him who turns (to Him), frequently.
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PICKTHAL: Say (O Muhammad): O mankind! Lo! I am the messenger of Allah to you all - (the messenger of) Him unto Whom belongeth the Sovereignty of the heavens and the earth. There is no Allah save Him. He quickeneth and He giveth death. So believe in Allah and His messenger, the Prophet who can neither read nor write, who believeth in Allah and in His Words, and follow him that haply ye may be led aright.
In response to Congregation. It was due to Allah's will that
Hazrat Umr(RA) converted to Islam. And he lead all the Muslims
in Kaabah where they offered the prayers the first time.
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Brother Inuit;
Let them do what they want and we will grab on to the ahl-bait (as) whom the prophet (pbuh) likened to Noah's (as) ark.
ws
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YUSUFALI: We have sent thee inspiration, as We sent it to Noah and the Messengers after him: we sent inspiration to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes, to Jesus, Job, Jonah, Aaron, and solomon, and to David We gave the Psalms.
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YUSUFALI: Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Messenger of Allah, and the Seal of the Prophets: and Allah has full knowledge of all things.
Aslam-o-Alakum,
Reham1: I asked you a Question remember. Consider following reply you made the answer to my question I thank you. However this is not an appropriate answer.
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My Question:
What was the TIME when the Holy Prophet(PBUH)prayed the Tahujjad (Taraweeh in your sense) prayer for 3 nights and some men joined him.
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Your Reply:
Tahujaad Prayers:
Neend toor kar uthnaa after Ishaa Prayers.. Than pray namaz.Rasool Allah(SAW) use to recite few verses of Al-Imran.
Taraweeh:
Sunnah Mukaada according to Sunni Hanfi.
Timings ka waqt is between Ishaa and Fajr.
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Thanks for your reply: now please answer this Question:
Q: What was the time when Hazrat Umar ordered people to gather for Taraweeh Prayer in Congregation for 20 Rakaat? After Isah' or after mid-night.
Regards, Waslaam,
Mr. Inuit,
Your question is wrong. Hazrat Umar never ordered anybody to offer Taraweeh prayers. he just instituted so that the laborers and farmers who because of having tough jobs found it hard to wake up in the middle of night to offer Tahajud prayers. Hazrat Umar never forcibly asked anybody to offer Taraweeh.
Aslam-o-Alakum, fatehahmad
you seems to be the same Fateh who flee from another forum and never came back to give answer to our questions. Anyway I appreciate that you clarified it to some people in this forum that a question can be wrong too.
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Your question is wrong.
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Otherwise people never know that a question can be wrong.
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Hazrat Umar never ordered anybody to offer Taraweeh prayers.
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Nice game of words brother. Question is still there..
My emphasis is on TIME
not on “instituted”, “ordered”, “requested”, “forced” etc.
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*Originally posted by inuit: *
Aslam-o-Alakum, fatehahmad
you seems to be the same Fateh who flee from another forum and never came back to give answer to our questions. Anyway I appreciate that you clarified it to some people in this forum that a question can be wrong too.
Otherwise people never know that a question can be wrong.
Nice game of words brother. Question is still there..
My emphasis is on TIME
not on “instituted”, “ordered”, “requested”, “forced” etc.
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This the third thread that you have opened to DISCUSS hate.
What are you thinking.
you are crazy. You ask a question and i gave you an answer 5 times.
and than you again ask the same ____in question.
My answer. Hazrat Umr(RA) revived the Sunnah of Holy Prophet(PBUH).
But still i will not ask a single question about your SECT. Least interested.
Dear Rehman1: Aslam-o-Alakum
You love to flood the thread instead of sending a compiled message. This show the same qualities in yourself too, which you found in me.
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Rehman! wrote:
you are crazy.
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This the third thread that you have opened to DISCUSS hate.
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Everything which goes against your opinion is HATE. Remember i sent you the following message to you but you never put ears on it. and never reply. I request you to read it again.
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**It’s is not a matter of love and hate. It’s a matter of truth and deceit.
Our discussion can’t be hate free. Hate—a strong word, and it is probably important to define it. First understand that what hate is?
Hate is opposite of Love.
In one sense, we should hate. We should hate all evil forces.We should hate that Satan stands for, all that he is and all that he has done. He is perverted, corrupt, a liar and deceptive—causing untold evil during the history of mankind.
If I give you some other (opposing) arguments, which is against your opinion you will think that I am hating. However on the other side I can think the same.
Healthy discussions can help you to understand the opinions of each other. Don’t think that the person who is your opponent is hating, Provided he is giving you reference and telling you things in a decent way. I hope you will agree with this.
When someone tries to make someone believe something that is not true, should not you hate him? Tell me.**
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You never answered the following question. I always check the chain of threads. Don’t take it as a Gupshup it’s a serious matter we are discussing.
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Q: What was the time when Hazrat Umar ordered people to gather for Taraweeh Prayer in Congregation for 20 Rakaat? After Isah' or after mid-night.
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OR you can take this question this way. if you think brother fatehahmad
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*Q: What was the time when Hazrat Umar gathered people for Taraweeh Prayer in Congregation for 20 Rakaat? After Isah' or after mid-night. *
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Take your time, no need to do any hurry. better if you give me any reference. if you like to do some reseach work.
Regards, [email protected]
REPLY to Intuit:
My answer Enough is enough.
You wrote " I always check the chain of threads".
Dear Intuit
first check your chain of narrators. The chain of narrators in
your book ASOOL NAKAFEEE and Nahuj BILAGHAAA.
All you do is curse and curse. Keep up the good
work .