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You see I've seen the Hanifites practicing thing for which they dont have any evidence from Quran or Sunnah. That is what I'm trying to find why they do so?
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Well, that's got nothing to do with Imam Abu Hanifa and his mazhab... in any case, what kind of things are you referring to?
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*Originally posted by gupguppy: *
Well, that's got nothing to do with Imam Abu Hanifa and his mazhab... in any case, what kind of things are you referring to?
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Point one: what mazhab did Imam Hanifa followed.
Point two: Hanfites claim According to Imam Hanifa you should not raise your hands before and after 'rukku'.
Point three: Shafites claim According to Imam Shafi you should raise your hands before and after 'rukku'
How did the prophet pray?
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Point one: what mazhab did Imam Hanifa followed.
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He strove to do what every scholar does... seek answers in the Qur'an and Sunnah... that's what he told others to do... some are qualified to follow this advice, others are not...
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Point two: Hanfites claim According to Imam Hanifa you should not raise your hands before and after 'rukku'.
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The Hanafi mazhab isn't just what Imam Abu Hanifa said... some Hanafi scholars do advocate raising the hands... some of my Hanafi friends raise their hands... whatever Imam Abu Hanifa's opinion was, it was based on the evidence that reached him and how he understood it...
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Point three: Shafites claim According to Imam Shafi you should raise your hands before and after 'rukku'
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Yes, based on the evidence that reached him and his understanding of it...
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How did the prophet pray?
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He either raised his hands all the time or, as Ibn Hazm said, he may have raised them sometimes and not raised them at other times to show that either was permissible... i'd go with the former...
Idiot jee: what is ur previous nick?
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He strove to do what every scholar does... seek answers in the Qur'an and Sunnah... that's what he told others to do... some are qualified to follow this advice, others are not...
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So does that make his own mazhab?
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The Hanafi mazhab isn't just what Imam Abu Hanifa said... some Hanafi scholars do advocate raising the hands... some of my Hanafi friends raise their hands... whatever Imam Abu Hanifa's opinion was, it was based on the evidence that reached him and how he understood it...
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So what do you do? Raise hands or not? And mention the evidences which the shcolars use for doing it or not doing it
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Yes, based on the evidence that reached him and his understanding of it...
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Which evidences
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He either raised his hands all the time or, as Ibn Hazm said, he may have raised them sometimes and not raised them at other times to show that either was permissible... i'd go with the former...
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You see my brother I told you in the very begining if you qote a scholar then quote the evidences upon which their rullings based
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So what do you do?
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What has that got to do with you?? Are you always enquiring into other peoples practices like this... criticising and nit picking... then arguing on the basis of hadith that you haven't even seen... take some advice... go sit with a scholar you trust and learn something... there are plenty of books about raising the hands that discuss the topic in great detail... probably too much detail for you... try and get a hold of one of them...
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What has that got to do with you?? Are you always enquiring into other peoples practices like this... criticising and nit picking... then arguing on the basis of hadith that you haven't even seen...
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I dont know arabic that always hinder me from reading the hadith. A scholar adviced me to have a translated version. Translation by Yusuf Ali. I asked for the advice from many others and got the same reply. That is why I read the translated versions. I never said what I say is 100% correct.
Two I wanted to know what you base your decisions on that is why I asked you what you follow.
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take some advice... go sit with a scholar you trust and learn something... there are plenty of books about raising the hands that discuss the topic in great detail... probably too much detail for you... try and get a hold of one of them...
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: ) thanks for the advice. Name the books you are reffering to. Would make things easlier for me
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Idiot jee: what is ur previous nick?
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never had a pervious nick
Basing one’s opinion, particularly in matter of jurisprudence, on translations isn’t always advisable… i think the discussion on the “cutting their hair” hadith has probably confirmed that for you…
The hadith about raising the hands in prayer are mutawatir (mass-transmitted) from Allah’s Messenger (saw)…
In Arabic and Urdu… look for Juz Rafa’ al Yadayn by al Bukhari
Otherwise, in English the following is a useful article… http://www.islamic-paths.org/Home/English/Discover/Pillars/Salah/Raising_Hands.htm
I dont base opinions on s’thing I read. I do consult the ‘sheik/s’ as well.
Nothing is confirmed yet as far as that perticular hadith is concerned. I think you should also do some research, cuz there is a possiblity that what you think as right is not.
So do you raise hands? Beucase I’ve recently learnt about traditions which say there was no raising of hands except for the first one.
Thank you
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Nothing is confirmed yet as far as that perticular hadith is concerned.
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Exactly... because you are working from translations only... that was the point... if you have two differing translations of the same hadith you need to at the very least refer to the Arabic to try and resolve the issue instead of basing your argument on translations... get it? If you haven't yet learnt that lesson then God help you...
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Exactly... because you are working from translations only... that was the point... if you have two differing translations of the same hadith you need to at the very least refer to the Arabic to try and resolve the issue instead of basing your argument on translations... get it?
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If the brother didnt realise I'm trying to get the Arabic version of the hadith. I've made some effort to do that. Once I've the Arabic hadith I'll try to consult a 'sheikh' who has worked in arabic lexicon. But untill i do that for me nothing is confirmed. That is what I wanted to say.
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If you haven't yet learnt that lesson then God help you...
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I'm trying to make an effort to do things right. May Allah [swt] help me. However I would appreciate if the brother here would help me in some things as well. I'm trying to learn as I said earlier.