Tamil Tigers claim second air raid

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what aspect of hinduism is there with the LTTE.

Where did u get this crap from. U r bordering racism. Ask your sinhalese friends if they spared tamilian families of muslims and christians in the 1983 riots.

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and punjabies too right.:)

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^^ well my friends from toronto have told me that who live in mostly tamil neighbourhoods

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the differentiation people make between "Islamic" and "Muslim" terrorist. "Islamic" connotes a stronger association to the ideology, whereas "Muslim" indicates that the people belonging to that terrorist group are Muslim. Since Hindu Terrorist is along the lines of Muslim terrorist, and given that LTTE is comprised mostly of Hindus, that is a fair characterization.

That doesnt mean everyone in LTTE is Hindu, Hezbollah is characterized as a shia militant group even though they have a significant non-shia and non-Muslim element in them.

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Well, I wouldn't call these countries Israel, since they are not apartheid states :)

But I do agree with Tamils being at the bottom of the ladder, especially in Toronto.

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I don't agree...probably Vineshvk has explained it correctly...and simply many of you guyz are not ready to accept the fact.

The struggle of Tamils is not based on Hindu religious ideology...fact that their recruits are not given discourses of Vedanta and Upanishads/Gita, proves this.

Neither they invoke the name of God during each bombing, nor they are recruited on the basis that if they will blow themselves-up Heaven will be the ultimate place reserved for them for the cause of Hindutva.

In fact their is no such term like umma in Hindu philosophy, so I wonder how these people will motivate themselves even if they will base their fight on the basis of religion.

As far as your comparison with Hezbollah is concerned......remember ...Hezbollah is labelled as Shia because their majority of funding is from Iran and Iran supports them openly at diplomatic level to maitain a presence in middle east conflict and counter-balanace the Saudi Arabian hegemony of Wahhabism ( and rightly so).

In fact the weapons of Hezbollah including Rocktes are Iran made...also ideology of Hezbollah is more based on Shia ideology of martyrdom rather than ethnic-language based( LTTE)

I too sometimes sympathize with Hezbollah since they have done many good works in Labanon, also majority of Asian copuntries have not officially declared Hezbollah as a terrorist organization---same is not true for Taliban-Al Qaeda, Jaish-e-Mohammed, Lashkar-e-Toiba etc...

Hezbollah has considerable presence in Labanon's parliament, means they are legitimately elected while still keeping weapons and maintaining a seperate army under Hezbolah flag----- where is LTTE in Sri Lankan parliament??

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Actually....there is no such a thing called 'hindu' also in any scriptures...:D . The only place i could find reference to it was in 'vivekachudamani' composed by adi shankaracharya in 7th century. In that work of shankaracharya you will find the term 'vedic religion' or 'vedika dharma'.

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Spot On!.

and further...another term "Hindutva" (or Hinduness) was first time used by Vinayak Damodar Savarakar( Veer Savarkar) as popularly known in Maharshtra during British India...somewhere around 1946-47, when partition of India based on religion was high in news.

I guess...Hindu and Hindutva expresses more Nationalist sentiments rather than Dharma (faith)

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Based on such opinions shall i call you a f–l. Dont generalize.:hoonh:

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^^ its not about generalizing, its about experiencing such stuff first hand....

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you are expecting to match specifics like Umma and the afterlife which have very different concepts in Hinduism.

I distinguished between Islamic and Muslim forces, Islamic must be motivated by some aspect of Islam, whereas a force can be a Muslim force simply by composition. Turkey is widely regarded as a Muslim country for example.

With that connotation, Hindu terrorists is a correct term, even if not flattering and motivated obviously by a desire to associate Hinduism with terrorist. Whether or not that association sticks ofcourse is where all your justifications come in. I as moderator responded to the "off-topic" bit by one of the posters and merely clarified that Hindu terrorist isnt strictly an incorrect term based on the fact that most of the people fighting and blowng themselves up for the LTTE are Hindus.

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As far as your comparison with Hezbollah is concerned......remember ...Hezbollah is labelled as Shia because their majority of funding is from Iran and Iran supports them openly at diplomatic level to maitain a presence in middle east conflict and counter-balanace the Saudi Arabian hegemony of Wahhabism ( and rightly so).

In fact the weapons of Hezbollah including Rocktes are Iran made...also ideology of Hezbollah is more based on Shia ideology of martyrdom rather than ethnic-language based( LTTE)

I too sometimes sympathize with Hezbollah since they have done many good works in Labanon, also majority of Asian copuntries have not officially declared Hezbollah as a terrorist organization---same is not true for Taliban-Al Qaeda, Jaish-e-Mohammed, Lashkar-e-Toiba etc...

Hezbollah has considerable presence in Labanon's parliament, means they are legitimately elected while still keeping weapons and maintaining a seperate army under Hezbolah flag----- where is LTTE in Sri Lankan parliament??
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Isnt it true that LTTE are or used to be suppoted by India? Is it a coincidence in your opinion that India is also a Hindu majority state?

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LTTE has NO credible government support from India.

By credible government support, I mean providing them Arms, Training etc. like Pakitsan does in case of Kashmiri terrorists.

You might be knowing that Rajiv Gandhi the late Indian prime minister sent troops to help Sri Lankan Sinhalese government to suppress the Tamil rebels, and this became the ultimate reason for Rajiv Gandhi's assassination by LTTE.

In fact, India maintains a very cordial relation with Sinhalese majority government of Sri Lanka.
I am suprised such conspiracy theories are coming from Pakistani side when in fact that very Sri Lankan government has never said that India plays any role in LTTE.
In fact Sri Lankan government has requested India several times to act as a mediator between them and Tamils, but since India has already burnt it's fingers once..it wants to keep a safe distance from this conflict.

Not only Sri Lankan government, not a single country in the world has said that India plays some 'dirty' role in Tamil conflict.....this will be something new if Pakistan, now chooses to accuse India for this.

yess, it's true normally people from Tamilnadu have sympathy towards LTTE and a few politicians like Ravindra Vaiko has openly given statements in support of LTTE, but one should understand that such emotional supports are normally anticipated due to common ethnicity and Tamil language....this has nothing to do with Hindu India as you accused.

Further it's disgusting that Pakistan is trying to test the patience of India by meddling in this Sri Lankan affair. This may make the current Indo-Pak relations from worse to worst...as Sri Lankan government due to lack of support from USA and EU desperately needs military assistance from any country let alone it be Pakistan.

I really wonder what importance Sri Lankan Sinhalese carry to Pakistan given that both countries are seperated by thousands of kilometers with nothing in common( nor even islam).

I think it's a desperate attempt by Pakistan to further complicate the situtaion for India in Sri Lanka, by arming Sri Lankan Sinhalese military.

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Okay....why dont you also see people in your regions like NWFP and baluchistan where wonderful toys like kalashnikov are openly available?...

selective approach?..

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Thanks for the information. Although I believe you, but if you could provide some links that would be great...

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Some of the members must be hindu terrorists, but LTTE is not hindu terrorist organization. The reason has been explained by members before.

Hezbollah, Lashkar-e-Toiba, Palestinian Islamic Jihad, Al-Qaeda, Jaish-e-Mohammed and many others, on the other hand are Islamic terrorist organizations. The reasons explained before.

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I havent been persuaded that the arguments offered so far disprove the fact that given that most of the terrorists of LTTE are Hindus they can be called Hindu terrorists. the association is with the person's religious identity as a Hindu and not necessarily linked to any teachings of Hinduism.

I've made the point several times about Muslim terrorist/militant/nation vs Islamic terrorist/militant/nation and I mean Hindu terrorist in the former vein. none of the arguments offered so far attempt to explain why if a "Hindu person" blows himself up in civilians "Hindu terrorist" is no longer one valid characterization of his background.

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what is the translation of the name "hezbollah"?

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party of God

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LTTE should not be called HINDU TERRORISTS.. just like IRISH secessionists groups should not be callled CHRISTIAN TERRORISTS.. the LTTE-Srilankan war is political... and not religious.. Anyway, most of the ppl above ^^ have pointed this out pretty correctly so I won't dwell too much into it..

Mercenary is right at one point.. a lot of Tamils in toronto are involved in a lot of crime.. thats definitely true.. but Merc bro tamils are seriously not the bottom of the ladder.. they are mostly genuises and very hardworking, and a lot of them are very very rich.. most south indians are usually more morale and 'cultured'.. the tamil criminal problem in toronto is cuz most these guys r born here.. and they're dark and short n discriminated against.. and they associate themselves more with the 'thuggish' culture and the gangsta ideologies and hence r criminalish.. but it is NOT a tamil characteristic... its just local circumstances...(there are enough sinhalese srilankan 'gangsta' criminals in toronto too). overall.. around the world.. tamils are mostly very educated and very successfull..always a positive contribution to any society..

Anyway, the LTTE is definitely a problem... India Pakistan and Bangladesh all should actively support Srilanka and help them solve this issue.

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hmm...so scratch them from the list of candidates for the title of "muslim-but-not-islamic terrorists".

so exactly which other organizations are on that list? my mind is blanking.