Talmud max of 4 wives

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Salamvalekum,

I was reading an article regarding Women in Islam versus Judeo-Christianity The Tradition the myth and the reality by Sherif Abdel Azeem on Islambasics.com.

While i was going through the article in the polygamy section, i read in Talmud too a max of** 4 wives are allowed.**

I tried to search and this is the link i found clarifying my point.

This point is just after Lev 18:18. Can any please clarify the concept of max 4 wives in Talmud.

Thanks,

Walekum As salam.

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Another piece of the puzzle in this vast collage.

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the problem is that modren Rabbinical "consensus" (ijma') has outlawed polygamy so any interpretation you hear will be a bit biased.

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My concern is, not like what Rabbani wants because i already know of this, as it was banned, but is this ruling present in the Talmud if this ruling of max 4 wives present in the Talmud the same is about the Quran too.

I am least bothered about what rabbis have to do, my concern is different.

Hope you get my drift.

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hence my first post :)

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Just curious if you have posted the same thing on fm, bf and fi?

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Salam bro,
Now dont you think you are getting slightly personal. And moreover i never made this topic just for you
1) If you read my post 1 i have clearly mentioned i wanted clarification of this point, so if someone has done more research on this i would be grateful
2) If max 4 wives are allowed in Talmud, my thinking and concern is there is not much of change in the Quran.
3) I never posted this on fm and fi (bf i have no idea). Well layth webmaster of fm would be curious to know it though (pun intended)

Well, i again emphasize i have mentioned please clarify this concept because passing judgements on 1 opinion is not fruitful.

I am just waiting for you next opinion. I usually tend to avoid such posts which are futile, but I have learnt over a period of time its better to answer otherwise i feel its arrogance from my side.

Regards and Peace

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If anyone has any answer to this please do let me know.

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Alright I think I get the message :) My understanding is that the Quran seems to gently correct certain things in the Old and New Testaments. In a kind of an ammendment/revision fashion.

For instance, about the creation of the universe in 6 days. The 7th day is called "Shabot" and is considered "rest" by the Jews. The real meaning of "Shabot" according to Paleo Hebrew is "To Cease", which is different from "To Rest" in modern Hebrew (post exile)... secondly, the meaning of the word "Yaum" in Arabic does not necessarily mean "Day" but "Stage/Day/Aeon/Moment" ... Hence the verse:

"And verily, We created the heavens and the earth, and all that is between them, in six stages, and weariness did not even touch Us. "

I think the verse on polygamy may have similar connotation, by adding the clause "never shall ye be able to do justice"...

Is that a reasonable enough reply? I usually try to convey my opinion as directly to the poster sometimes since it may be too controversial a topic. Nothing personal :)

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^ Obviously. If Abraham had never taken on a second wife, we might not have all these Jewish-Christian-Muslim antagonism...

Can you imagine? Our rifts go back to a man in a desert who decided to marry twice.

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^ A worthwile digression...

IMO, most of the characters in the Quran are too general to be considered concrete. I'd rather take Abraham in the sense of an allegory.

Now the controversy:

  • Please indicate in the Quran where does it say he had two wives (or one wife and a concubine since that seems to be a hot issue these days).
  • And also indiciate where in the Quran it mentions Ishmaeal was put to the sacrifice...

The Torah comes from several manuscripts, and was written/compiled in 500BC after the end of exile (at the hands of King Cyrus/Zul-Qarnain). If it ever had any elements of the original sets of law (hence the name Torah/Law), the translation from PaleoHebrew to the post-exile Hebrew would have totally ruined the message (i.e. lost in translation). As well, not only does the Torah borrow from Babylonian stories, but also those of Canaan (كنعان) and Samaria (سامرية).

We do not even know if Abraham (how it is believed in the tradition of Semitic faiths) ever existed in the archaeaological sense, let alone had two wives who became vessels for the major Semitic faiths. The closest that comes to this kind of a description is Bahram, who according to archaeological evidence was worshipper of celestial objects and later became a non-gnostic-Sabian/Mandaean (Hanif as described in the Quran).

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Great you understand my concern now, well this is what i need as a clarification because if someone can see this in the Talmud and prove it then would be really grateful
I tried get on few jewish websites well nothing really good there.

My advice on the bold part once you feel its a controversial topic and a futile one dont enter the topic at all. Unless its really useful.
Like the 4 wives topic is really futile to me i dont bother even reasoning out there coz its futile.
Thanks H2K.

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I felt Abraham's story was pretty clear in the Quran. Not sure on this though. Anyone have info they can shed on this? (It would make for a good separate thread).

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To cut it short, the Quran makes no indication that Abraham had two female companions (whatever permutation) and that Ishmael was sacreficed. These stories are from Hadith...

There is an earlier source of this same story as given in Muslim tradition and I understand it to be the actual source of (fabricated) tradition by sectarians... and that dear readers is the TALMUD. Yes Ishmaeal was sacreficed and Hagar was the concubine/second-wife according to the Talmud and is in contradiction to the Old Testament - The Quran does not name names here - if you read any translation, you may note that names would usually be given in brackets.

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Abraham(Peace be upon him):as:

Al-Qur’an
Surah Saffat
181. And Peace on the apostles!

Crushes :(
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^ Salam sis,
Indeed, peace be upon them. Allah and the malaik supported their mission. Messengership of Isaac and Ishmael is not being questioned...