Talk About a Philosopher

I would like us to discuss philosophers in this thread. Talk about a philosopher you like!

I’ll start off with Socrates. :yummy: Here is a lil excerpt from my paper on Socrates:

"Socrates was a man who believed that knowledge was gained by conversation. Always engaging in conversation with the people, he wanted to find out *“who is wise and who pretends to be wise but isn’t.” *He believed that all unethical behavior arose from ignorance, from not knowing the right thing to do. According to Socrates, a man who knows of his ignorance is wise. When a mind seeks perfection and realizes its’ own imperfections, his wisdom is thus resigned. I agree with his observations about man’s claims to wisdom. The man himself was an example of wisdom, as his words represent: I myself know nothing, except just a little, enough to extract an argument from another man who is wise and to receive it fairly."

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Marcus Aurelius.

I dig up some excerpts this evening.

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According to Plato, "philosophers must become kings or kings must become philosophers before the world will have peace." The fourteenth Roman Emperor (from 161 to 180, Marcus Aurelius (121-80) was probably the closest thing to a philosopher king the world has ever known. Born to a prominent Spanish family in Rome, he became an orphan at a young age and devoted himself to a life of study. By the age of twelve he was mastering geometry, music, mathematics, painting, and literature. Under the mentorship of private tutors he learned fluent Greek and Latin and the whole of philosophy from the ancients through the Stoics whom he most admired. By the age of fourteen he received the toga virilis, the white robe signifying adulthood and full citizenship in Rome.

A series of events that brought him to the throne began when the emperor Hadrian picked Marcus's uncle Antoninus as his successor but only on the condition that Antoninus should designate Marcus to be the next Emperor. Thus already by the age of seventeen Marcus Aurelius became apparent to the imperial throne of Rome and began preparing himself. By the time he became Emperor at the age of thirty-nine, he had earned a reputation as a great statesman and philosophical visionary; during his subsequent nineteen year reign be brought about more political, social, educational and economic reforms than any other Emperor. He became known as a champion of the poor, of children and especially orphans, and brought about many reforms with the idea of improving the condition of slaves. By all accounts he resisted what he was as the corrupting trappings of power, remaining a sincere and simple human being capable of great kindness but a powerful and resolute leader. As the commander-in-chief of the Roman legions, he also successfully defended Rome against more invasions than any other Emperor: he fought back invasions from Syria, Spain, Egypt, Britain, Italy, and the German tribes along the Rhine-Danube frontier. He regarded the Christians as the most subversive and dangerous element within the Roman empire and violently persecuted them, warning that if Christianity were allowed to corrupt the intellect and souls of the citizens, the entire Roman Empire would fall, destroyed in the end not by physical assault from external enemies but from within, ruined by the mental deterioration of its own people.

In Athens he financed all four great philosophical schools: The Academy, The Lyceum, The Garden, and the Stoa. The Meditations, written to himself during military campaigns, is a twelve-volume compendium of his ruminations on life. It reveals the mind of a Stoic philosopher of great eloquence, laying out his own path of self-discovery and enlightenment; he rejects, for instance, the Stoic doctrine of absolute truth, holding instead that we can at best have probable knowledge and that therefore to be virtuous we must always keep an open mind. His overarching theme throughout the Meditations is that there is but one thing that can keep the "daemon within a man free" through the tumultuous trials and tribulations of life: philosophy.

As a philosopher Aurelius believed that a divine providence had placed reason in man, and it was in the power of man to be one with the rational purpose of the universe. This is a duty to a man himself and to the citizens of God's State. No man can be injured by another, he can only injure himself. He attempted to be a philosopher-king, which he considered a moral rather than a political ideal. He believed that the moral life leads to tranquility, and stressed the virtues of wisdom, justice, fortitude, and moderation.

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we only know as much as history has have us learnt.
in any event, Iqbal as a Philosopher is deep.

best,
Dushwari

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I dare to disagree. Iqbal's philosophy, at its best, is a mixture of two diametrical contradictions. One being Iqbal's 'mard-e-momin', the twin brother of Nietzsche's 'super man', is a kind of supra-human being who has the ability to change his destiny all by his own [khudi ko kar buland itna. . .] and the other is Iqbal's attempt to limit the reasoning faculties of his 'mard-e-momin' by introducing 'intuition' to his 'intellectual capacity', which he borrowed from Bergson. [aql aur ishq - a couplet that belittles aql/intelligence as, '. . .iss ke taqdeer main huzoor nahin]

It's not an attempt to pass on a judgment on his message but merely to highlight the contradiction which we so easily over look out of reverence.

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arshad- thank you for your post! marcus was actually the first philosopher we studied from the text! his set of four principles: wisdom, justice, fortitude, and temperance are so interesting to study and quite useful to apply! oh and his private journal..i'm not sure what the published title is..it's a collection of 12 books, about lessons he learned in his life. i think it would be a very interesting read if one wants to learn about it! Things Written to Himself might be the title, actually.

ya know, the guy had a pretty rough life for loosing his babies and his wife...so a lot of his philosophy is based off of mortality. quote: "*If you want to stop wasting your time in vain fantasies, perform every act in life as though it is your last." *alright, and one more thing i will add, one of my favorite quotes from him: "*Time is a sort of river of passing events, and strong is its current; no sooner is a thing brought to sight than its is swept by and another takes its place, and this too will be swept away." *another hint of mortal philosophy here!

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hey dushwari,

i actually have never studied anything from iqbal, beyond 'lab-pe-ati-hai-dua' and a few other poems at an elementary level. i'd love to hear your discussion on iqbal!

also, i think we can know a LOT more than what history will have us learn. many philosophers have left behind great works, from which their wisdom can be extracted, and it is not only from their history. wouldn't you agree!

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DT the book that he wrote to himself is called the *Meditations. *

Some of his quotes are:
"A man's worth is no greater than his ambitions".

“It is not death that a man should fear, but he should fear never beginning to live.”

“Accept the things to which fate binds you, and love the people with whom fate brings you together, but do so with all your heart.”

“Waste no more time arguing about what a good man should be. Be one.”

"Very little is needed to make a happy life; it is all within yourself, in your way of thinking”

"Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.”

"You have power over your mind - not outside events. Realize this, and you will find strength"

"Our life is what our thoughts make it.”

"He who lives in harmony with himself lives in harmony with the universe.”

"Reject your sense of injury and the injury itself disappears.”

"The only wealth which you will keep forever is the wealth, you have given away”.

"Nowhere can man find a quieter or more untroubled retreat than in his own soul.”

My favourite is "Every man's life lies within the present; for the past is spent and done with, and the future is uncertain."

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Thanks ofr the list of Marcus Aurelius quotes, arshad. If you pay close attention, you'll find many of them are hinting stoicism.

I'll now discuss the 2 things I know about Plato.Anyone with more knowledge is more than welcome to add!

Pupil of Socrates, Plato was the founder of the Academy near Athens..he also taught there till his death. He discussed the virtue of knowledge and happiness, and he attempted to prove a relation between the soul, the state, and the cosmos. His works = some of the finest philosophic lit.