You are right in your disgust...maybe we should express as much disgust on the policy makers who have brought upon us this menace as well.
Imran Khan's stance may be wrong, and negotiations might not work. But can any one force the army to stop differentiating between militants? Unless that happens neither negotiations nor selective operations will achieve anything. Operations so far have only affected the ordinary people, the command and control is still alive and kicking. In fact the issue has deteriorated over the years.
IK's stance is not maybe wrong it is wrong. I am not talking about the negotiations I am talking about him being an apologist for Taliban and his refusal to condemn these barbaric pigs.
... when your statements are openly questioning the moral of security forces, that's a problem.
As I said it elsewhere, Imran should have not given any percetage in his statement when it came to the ratio of success in a military operation.
Having said that, I just read an article of Haroon-ur-Rashid in which he quoted Gen Kayani as saying that he mentioned that "in case of a military operation, the terrorism rate in the country may come down by 40%." Sohail Warraich also confirmed yesterday that the figure of 40% was mentioned in the meeting. He in fact said that a cabinet minister put the success rate at 10%.
What Imran said was actually right, but obviously he should have not divulged this information publicly.
... when your statements are openly questioning the moral of security forces, that's a problem.
As I said it elsewhere, Imran should have not given any percetage in his statement when it came to the ratio of success in a military operation.
Having said that, I just read an article of Haroon-ur-Rashid in which he quoted Gen Kayani as saying that he mentioned that "in case of a military operation, the terrorism rate in the country may come down by 40%." Sohail Warraich also confirmed yesterday that the figure of 40% was mentioned in the meeting. He in fact said that a cabinet minister put the success rate at 10%.
What Imran said was actually right, but obviously he should have not divulged this information publicly.
IK's stance is not maybe wrong it is wrong. I am not talking about the negotiations I am talking about him being an apologist for Taliban and his refusal to condemn these barbaric pigs.
Can condemnation stop terrorism? Can it bring back the deads and undo injuries?
If 24/7 condemnation helps you, bring back the PPP-ANP-MQM setup as it used to do that all the time. They did it for 5 long years. And result?
If you think Imran is stupid, naive and irresponsible then why go all gaga over his apparent 'leakage' of oh so secret 'information'? If it was such a criminal thing to do, shouldn't the army be actually coming out and putting Imran in his place for disclosing such details, refuting his claim and just call him a lair and whatnot if they fancy? So whats stopping Army from doing what any respectable military would have done under such circumstances? Let me guess - Yahoodi lobby?
Can condemnation stop terrorism? Can it bring back the deads and undo injuries?
If 24/7 condemnation helps you, bring back the PPP-ANP-MQM setup as it used to do that all the time. They did it for 5 long years. And result?
Why histrionics are so important to us?
Sorry Amal that is a bad excuse to try and justify his stance. What is wrong and unacceptable should be condemned. Just to say that it wont stop if we condemn it than we might as well start celebrating the killings every time these pigs go around killing. Rise above IK and think about the country. Come on you can do better than trying to justify a wrong stance.
Sorry Amal that is a bad excuse to try and justify his stance. What is wrong and unacceptable should be condemned. Just to say that it wont stop if we condemn it than we might as well start celebrating the killings every time these pigs go around killing. Rise above IK and think about the country. Come on you can do better than trying to justify a wrong stance.
If I were Imran, I would vehemently support military action because its all the rage these days. Logic tells sell what sells. Imran isn't as business-minded as others. You can see that Bilawal is an instant hit despite the fact that a quarter of his city has already gone to Taliban. Liyari is a no-go area for security personnel, all while PPP is into the 6th year of governance in the province. The police commandos who died en route to Bilawal House were not paid salaries for months by the government which dished out millions on a cultural fest. But since his stance is fashionable, he can go along with anything.
I do not agree with Imran's wholesale support for peace talks. But I genuinely believe that this effort to end the bloodshed without spilling further blood should be explored for once and all. Did you hear Nawaz Sharif condemning the Taliban? Please share a link with me. Imran yesterday said that if talks fail, we would go for a military operation even if it has only 5% chance of success. You might have not heard him because media's priority lies with Bilawal than Imran.
I have no problem with your censure against Imran, but I would also like the double-speak of others to be taken to task equally. Why the fence-sitting of PPP, MQM and ANP should get off scott-free? Why these parties consented to talks in APC? If a military operation is so important, why it was not done when GHQ, PNS Mehran and Kamra Complex were attacked? Who was ruling the country then?
Let me return to my question: Can condemnation stop the terrorism?
If I were Imran, I would vehemently support military action because its all the rage these days. Logic tells sell what sells. Imran isn't as business-minded as others. You can see that Bilawal is an instant hit despite the fact that a quarter of his city has already gone to Taliban. Liyari is a no-go area for security personnel, all while PPP is into the 6th year of governance in the province. The police commandos who died en route to Bilawal House were not paid salaries for months by the government which dished out millions on a cultural fest. But since his stance is fashionable, he can go along with anything.
No one is asking the questions to PPP or PMLN. What was the party doing while TTP was taking over Karachi and what their current policy is to rid the business capital from the menace of terrorism? Bilawal is speaking against the Taliban, great...but the facts on ground speak otherwise. They will always be people who can be held responsible for the mess, but no one asks the concerned about their own performance. If a blast happens then it would be Imran Khan's fault for advocating peace talks. Great please do carry out an operation against TTP in the city, I am sure Imran Khan is not an obstacle there.
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If a military operation is so important, why it was not done when GHQ, PNS Mehran and Kamra Complex were attacked? Who was ruling the country then?
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When GHQ was attacked do you know that the likes of Ahmed Ludhianvi and Malik Ishaq were flown on military choppers to GHQ to end the siege there? Did anyone call Kayani a TTP appeaser then?
If "condemning" the Taliban is all you need to stop TTP from spreading, then how on earth there's Taliban in Karachi? Whatever happened to the result MQM and PPP's five year long (and continuing) "condemnation"?
When GHQ was attacked do you know that the likes of Ahmed Ludhianvi and Malik Ishaq were flown on military choppers to GHQ to end the siege there? Did anyone call Kayani a TTP appeaser then?
That's correct. Though ISPR denied it and claimed to have retaken it through commando action.
If "condemning" the Taliban is all you need to stop TTP from spreading, then how on earth there's Taliban in Karachi? Whatever happened to the result MQM and PPP's five year long (and continuing) "condemnation"?
No one is willing to answer this question. If condemnation is all the whole problem needs to be solved, than it should have been solved long ago. The moment there is a terror activity, the whole country condemns it, but what is the result?
If I were Imran, I would vehemently support military action because its all the rage these days. Logic tells sell what sells. Imran isn't as business-minded as others. You can see that Bilawal is an instant hit despite the fact that a quarter of his city has already gone to Taliban. Liyari is a no-go area for security personnel, all while PPP is into the 6th year of governance in the province. The police commandos who died en route to Bilawal House were not paid salaries for months by the government which dished out millions on a cultural fest. But since his stance is fashionable, he can go along with anything.
I do not agree with Imran's wholesale support for peace talks. But I genuinely believe that this effort to end the bloodshed without spilling further blood should be explored for once and all. Did you hear Nawaz Sharif condemning the Taliban? Please share a link with me. Imran yesterday said that if talks fail, we would go for a military operation even if it has only 5% chance of success. You might have not heard him because media's priority lies with Bilawal than Imran.
I have no problem with your censure against Imran, but I would also like the double-speak of others to be taken to task equally. Why the fence-sitting of PPP, MQM and ANP should get off scott-free? Why these parties consented to talks in APC? If a military operation is so important, why it was not done when GHQ, PNS Mehran and Kamra Complex were attacked? Who was ruling the country then?
Let me return to my question: Can condemnation stop the terrorism?
Condemnation alone will not but you have to stand for what is right, and let me ask you a question, has the appeasement policy stopped terrorism. They are butchering our innocent people while the so called negotiation are on and not a word of condemnation or request to them to stop. There is a world beyond IK and his appeasement policy, where innocent people are suffering due to his appeasement of these pigs.. All you people talk about negotiation and what the other parties did. They were a failure that is why there were hopes with PTI, but this policy is wrong. The day IK stands for the rights of the innocent people instead of appeasing these pigs is the day I will support his stance. If condemnation has not brought peace neither has the appeasement policy. It has failed spectacularly.
Condemnation alone will not but you have to stand for what is right, and let me ask you a question, has the appeasement policy stopped terrorism. They are butchering our innocent people while the so called negotiation are on and not a word of condemnation or request to them to stop. There is a world beyond IK and his appeasement policy, where innocent people are suffering due to his appeasement of these pigs.. All you people talk about negotiation and what the other parties did. They were a failure that is why there were hopes with PTI, but this policy is wrong. The day IK stands for the rights of the innocent people instead of appeasing these pigs is the day I will support his stance. If condemnation has not brought peace neither has the appeasement policy. It has failed spectacularly.
Neither appeasement nor condemnation alone can do anything. The only way to stop terrorism/extremism is to first give them a chance to stop, if they don't stop then take their leadership out one by one, stop all the funding, stop political support. There is no way you can fight terrorism by terrorism i.e. bombing of areas.
Government and military have both failed the nation, any other party is just a noise. To claim that "noise" is stopping govt and military to stop terrorism is just an excuse for being nincompoops.
I said that a long time ago during zulfiqar mirza/mqm fued that Karachi is not a border town where ammunition can be smuggled from across the border. Karachi has identified entries into the city; highways and railway lines. The weapon is coming in through that route. How difficult it is to have armed forces stationed at entry points checking every car and truck?
Second is the financial route. Watch all the money transfers and seize suspicious accounts.
These things need to be tackled from top bottom. It would take couple of years, but karachi can be a weapon free city in 3-4 years. Terrorist thrive on ammunition, not on physique or mere numbers. Mqm, liyari gang, talibans; they will all die their own death if the supply can be stopped.
Neither appeasement nor condemnation alone can do anything. The only way to stop terrorism/extremism is to first give them a chance to stop, if they don't stop then take their leadership out one by one, stop all the funding, stop political support. There is no way you can fight terrorism by terrorism i.e. bombing of areas.
Government and military have both failed the nation, any other party is just a noise. To claim that "noise" is stopping govt and military to stop terrorism is just an excuse for being nincompoops.
I was about to say something like this to Ehsan Bhai. Thanx for saving me time Captain1 :)
Other than that, the attitude of almost all political parties, civil society, intelligentsia, common man and the media speaks of their eagerness to look towards Imran for everything. If something happens, everyone wants to know what Imran is saying about it? Unknowingly the whole country has started to consider him as its leader. He appears to be the Prime Minister Without Office :)
I said that a long time ago during zulfiqar mirza/mqm fued that Karachi is not a border town where ammunition can be smuggled from across the border. Karachi has identified entries into the city; highways and railway lines. The weapons is coming in through that route. How difficult it is to have armed forces stationed at entry points checking every car and truck.
Second is the financial route. Watch all the money transfers and seize suspicious accounts.
These things need to be tackled from top bottom. It would take couple of years, but karachi can be a weapon free city in 3-4 years. Terrorist thrive on ammunition, not on physique or mere numbers. Mqm, liyari gang, talibans; they will all die their own death if the supply can be stopped.
Someone please forward it to Bilawal Zardari who wants to be called Bilawal Bhutto. And please do tell him that charity begins at home. Start the Jihad from Karachi, not from Waziristan.
[RIGHT]9:26:52 PM اتوار, 16 فروری 2014
اسٹاف رپورٹر کراچی: کراچی پولیس میں پانچ سو ریٹائرڈ فوجیوں کو شامل کرلیا گیا ۔ سواہلکار صرف لیاری میں ڈیوٹی دیں گے۔ پانچ سوریٹائرڈ فوجیوں کوایک ماہ کی تربیت کے بعد حساس علاقوں میں تعینات کیا جارہا ہے۔ ترجمان سندھ پولیس کے مطابق اگلے تین ہفتوں میں مزید چھ سو سابق فوجی کراچی پولیس کا حصہ بن جائیں گے۔ ذرائع کے مطابق ان اہلکاروں کی خصوصی چھاپہ مار ٹیمیں تشکیل دی گئی ہیں ۔ یہ اہلکار دہشتگردوں اور شرپ…[/RIGHT]
It is not surprising that Karachi has become battle ground for the terrorists. It is evident from the daily blasts and killings. Have we not seen the terrorists mercilessly gunning down polio workers and members of security forces? We know that the main purpose of the terrorists is to keep Pakistan unstable and what better way to achieve that by keeping the economic hub of the country in constant turmoil. The terrorists know their days of terrorizing are numbered and sooner than later they have to come back to their senses of joining the mainstream civic society. They have already been rejected by the majority of the people in the region and unless they mend their ways they are destined to be eliminated. We understand that these are challenging times for the people of Pakistan and in these difficult times we stand by them. We are all striving for peace in the region and rest assured it will be achieved.