Taliban Transcripts: Pakistan takes revenge for Taliban 'withdrawal sham'

Now we know that Suf & his buddies lied about peace plans & this is what their plans are. They do not keep their words. Im waiting for Taliban defenders to defend this one.

Pakistan takes revenge for Taliban ‘withdrawal sham’ - Asia, World - The Independent

Pakistan takes revenge for Taliban ‘withdrawal sham’

   Fresh military strikes after  intercepts disclose strategy of Swat valley militants 
                               By Omar Waraich in Rawalpindi
        
               *Wednesday, 29 April 2009*
           
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Backed by fighter jets and helicopter gunships, Pakistani troops dramatically expanded a military offensive against Taliban hideouts yesterday after fresh evidence emerged of the militants’ determination to extend their reach beyond the Swat valley and towards the capital.
Army chiefs said the operation in Buner, which followed swiftly on the heels of a military bombardment of Lower Dir, was expected to last a week. The aim was to “eliminate and expel” an estimated 500 militants scattered across the strategic valley, which lies just 70 miles north of Islamabad, officials said.
The government of the President Asif Ali Zardari struck a controversial deal in February with the Swat militants, whereby he agreed to impose Sharia law in a vain bid to get the Taliban to lay down their weapons. The accord sparked concern in Washington and London and last week the militants appear to rip it up in any case. They rampaged beyond Swat and into Buner, kidnapping and killing policemen, seizing petrol stations and marble factories and terrorising the local population, before claiming to retreat.
Yesterday’s military offensive was triggered by phone intercepts that allegedly revealed how the Taliban had merely staged a withdrawal from Buner. Maj-Gen Athar Abbas, the chief spokesman for the Pakistani military, said that the Taliban had in fact stayed put, continuing to recruit locals for their training camps. “Only a symbolic withdrawal was made,” he told reporters at a press conference in the garrison town of Rawalpindi. “Instead [the militants] kept increasing their strength and continued with their activities. As per the latest reports, 450 to 500 militants are occupying Buner. The overall objective is to eliminate or expel [them].”
Military officials then played what they said were phone taps between various Taliban commanders who were leading militants in Buner and the group’s chief Maulana Fazlullah, who is believed to be hiding in the mountains of Swat. The conversations were in Pashto and a transcript in Urdu was provided to reporters. The authenticity of the transcripts could not be independently verified.
In one conversation, a commander described as “Fateh”, the codename for the Taliban commander Maulvi Khalil, is overheard “vowing to do something that they’ll remember”. The militants do not give specific details of their plans, preferring to signal their intent with half-finished sentences. More controversially, the transcripts imply that Sufi Mohammed – the frail hardline cleric the government has tasked with brokering the truce with the Taliban – was complicit in the Taliban’s stunt of pretending to withdraw from the region.
Mufti Aftab, a Taliban commander, quotes Sufi Mohammed insisting that some Taliban fighters should be seen leaving the valley for the sake of “the media” without displaying “their weapons openly”. “These Karakar comrades will be pulled back so that the media can see them [leave], because the commissioner is repeatedly saying we need to show the media something,” Mr Aftab says, according to the transcript.
Sufi Mohammed is the father-in-law of Mr Fazlullah. He led a rebellion in Swat during the 1990s and enlisted young men to fight in Afghanistan in late 2001. He was released from prison last year on the condition that he disavowed militancy and helped the government tame the Taliban in Swat.
A top local government official, Syed Muhammad Javed, is also quoted second-hand as urging the media stunt. He has since been suspended from his duties on suspicion of colluding with the Taliban.
The push into Buner marks the second military operation in the past week. “I warn them to vacate the area. We are not going to spare them,” said the Interior Minister Rehman Malik.
Yesterday the army said it had already triumphed in Lower Dir, another area bordering Swat, with more than 70 Taliban militants being killed. The fighting has sent civilians fleeing in search of safety. Amnesty International estimated that about 33,000 people had left their homes in Lower Dir over the past two days.
The Pakistani government has come under intense international pressure to crack down on militants within its borders. The US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton warned that Pakistan was “basically abdicating to the Taliban and to the extremists”, while the US Defence Secretary Robert Gates called on the country’s leaders to take action.
Phone taps reveal cat-and-mouse tactics
The following are translated extracts of phone taps of conversations between senior Pakistani Taliban commanders, provided by the Pakistani army. It was not possible to independently verify their authenticity…
Transcript A
Fateh [Taliban commander leading Buner operations]: How has the decision [to stage the withdrawal] been taken?
Mufti Aftab [another Taliban commander]: The decision took place after Maulvi Saab [apparent reference to Sufi Mohammed, the hardline cleric negotiating with the Taliban on behalf of the government] told us to bring back seven, eight cars and show them leaving to the media. Sufi Saab is there and other advisers are there.
*Fateh: *We’ll say that the Taliban from Swat have left Buner.
Transcript B
Mufti Aftab: Right now the subject is Buner. Everyone is saying that they’ll take some people out of there and will show them leaving to the media. And they will not display their weapons openly.
Maulana Fazlullah [leader of Taliban in Swat]: OK, we’ll tell Suleiman to move these comrades to the side.
Mufti Aftab: These Karakar comrades will be pulled back so that the media can see them [leave], because the commissioner is repeatedly saying we need to show the media something.
Transcript C
Sheikh Saab [Taliban commander]: We’ve discussed firm plans for what’s ahead… First, the situation in Buner is very hot. The army is ready for an attack… Those who remain there should separate, so that the world will see that the Taliban have left Buner, even if it means that in each car there are only one or two Talibs sitting.
Fazlullah: This is fine.
Sheikh Saab: If this okay, then we’re coming. Tell the people there that the comrades should move and hide their arms. Some people should leave.
Fazullah: OK, I’ll make contact.
Transcript D
Fateh: If they come now, then I’ve told the comrades to do things this way. This time, we’ll blast the mines as well. We’ll also fire rockets. And we’ll do something that they’ll remember. Tomorrow you’ll say you didn’t know.

Stupid filthy animals... Pathetic attempt at being clever should get them all killed.

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Shame on the liars.
And then they claim that all this violence is to implement Shariah.
What's the point????

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They're psychos. I have no pity anymore for any bombs being dropped in the area. Can't believe the Pakistani gov't fell for Sufi's bull.

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now where are the defenders of these animals and its peace deal?

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they will come by and turn it into some ethnic genocide whine as usual..typical

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Well i know this from last 20 years.. that these suckers are lairs.. and nothing else..

They turn to fanning ethnic hatred when the religious angle falls flat on their faces. This is how good they are at being super muslims.

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reading this..2 thoughts come to mind

1) if our leaders really thought that these guys had any intention of complying by the truce then they are bigger idiots than I give them credit for

2) if the leaders knew that the taliban will not comply and thus will be stripped off any arguments they have had and thus the govt will get stronger backing from the nation when the state machinery kicks taliban booty..then hats off ..I am impressed.

^For number 2 to be true, I only hope the operation had been better planned with intelligence agents embedded within Buner with the talibs came. Also, statements by DG ISPR that the operation in Dir is over and this one will be over in 7 days is disingenuous as best. This war will not be over this year or nest year, you can't defeat 2 decades of jihadi indoctrination in a few months.

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Well , on a more positive note , if previously the nation was confused on whether to take a tough stance against the taliban , now we as a nation are more sure then ever that we need to eliminate them from the roots .

They are nothing but trouble and inshallah our army will eliminate them.

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true...coast is clear for an all out chitrol of these tribal idiots. lets hope it happens

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I wonder how ISI is able to record near-real time conversations by Fazlullah but our army cannot seem to find him or even block his FM station.

Seems like we only pull out these types of efforts after Americans threaten to cutoff aid. Deaths of Pakistanis at Taliban hands and suicide bombings does not seem to sway our GHQ.

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Even Gen Tariq of FC when asked why the commanders in swat didn't block fazlus radio station could not answer as he said that he blocked talib radios in bajaur but the commander in swat should answer this question.

Something more was happening in swat and I believe army deliberately did not want to defeat the talibs their due to perhaps TSNM influence and sympathy.

The commissioner there (can't remember his name) was a TSNM guy & has been helping Taliban take over entire region. He was fired few days back & still havn't been arrested yet. As for army, they do not see these people as threat or they could crush them in a day. What they don't realize is that Taliban are serious threat to Pakistan & more time they give them & smoke peace pipe with them, the more its encourages them to keep doing what they're doing attacking govt and its institutions.

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I was amazed too find that only 6-7000 FC/army have been sent to Buner. They should be sending 10-20,000 soldiers.

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     Taliban destroy FC camp, seize arms       
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BUNER: Militants blew up a camp of the Frontier Constabulary and took away weapons, while jets and helicopters continued heavy bombing on their suspected positions in different parts of Buner district on Thursday.
According to sources, two FC platoons which had been besieged at the Jawar Camp on Wednesday night were allowed to leave after surrendering to the militants.
The militants took away an APC and a large haul of weapons before destroying the camp and a checkpoint, the sources said.
A police vehicle was also taken away and a police station was set on fire in Pir Baba town. Local people said militants had control of Ambela Chowk, Pacha, Nawagai, Jungai, Swarai, Gagera, Dewana Baba, Pir Baba and Sultanwas.
Security forces stepped up air strikes and ground forces, backed by tanks and heavy artillery positioned in Rustam area of the Mardan district, attacked targets in Buner.
Helicopters attacked militants in Sultanwas town where they had set up makeshift headquarters at the house of a tribal elder after forcing his family to leave.
Planes bombed Karaker, Dermai pass, Darazai pass and Ambela. Militants have blown up two bridges near Ambela in a bid to block the movement of ground forces. Militants are reported to have planted explosive devices along the area’s main road and at other places.
Hundreds of families, among them Afghan refugees, left their homes and headed towards Swabi and Mardan. People in Daggar, the district headquarters, were facing shortage of food and other essentials items because of curfew. Troops had arrived in the town by helicopters on Wednesday.
Meanwhile, two children were injured in shelling by helicopters in Gul Abad as security forces continued their operation in parts of Lower Dir district. According to sources, militants were still holding positions in Gul Abad.
No casualty among militants was reported in the attacks by helicopter gunships. Militants took away two vehicles from the hujra of MNA Malik Azmat Khan of the Pakistan People’s Party at Ouch.
A vehicle was taken away from the Chakdara timber market, owned by the Forest Development Corporation (FDC). Militants moved in two vehicles on the Chakdara-Timergara road near Gul Abad.

Re: Taliban Transcripts: Pakistan takes revenge for Taliban 'withdrawal sham'

Einstein said that the defintion of insanity is to do the same thing again and again and expect different results.

So Gen. Kayani must be insane to try using the useless FC against the Taliban.

Every time the FC has been used against the Taliban, they have either run away, abandoned their posts, got kidnapped or surrendered in large numbers. Only some poor but brave soldiers have put up fight.

It is a matter of shame for all of us to see this.

I don't think in the history of Muslim armies we have seen such a pathetic performance repeated again and again.

Either our army has started wearing bangles all of a sudden or they are allowing this to happen as a policy decision.

Why have SSG and heck why even have lakhs of regular Pakistan Army infantry men if we are going to use the most ill-trained and ill-equipped paramilitary units against a threat?

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so the legendary bravery of the region does not extend to FC?

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What happened to the transcript that Musharraf produced (minutes after BBs assassination) where mollah bogeyman was talking about the successful operation?