Taliban-Style Justice Stirs Growing Anger

Its good to know that public is turning against Taliban salvages. Hope army finish them up soon.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/09/AR2009050902518.html

Taliban-Style Justice Stirs Growing Anger

Sharia Being Perverted, Pakistanis Say

By Pamela Constable
Washington Post Foreign Service
Sunday, May 10, 2009

ISLAMABAD, [Pakistan](http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/world/countries/pakistan.html?nav=el), May 9 -- When black-turbaned Taliban fighters demanded in January that Islamic sharia law be imposed in Pakistan's Swat Valley, few alarm bells went off in this Muslim nation of about 170 million. 

Sharia, after all, is the legal framework that guides the lives of all Muslims.
Officials said people in Swat were fed up with the slow and corrupt state courts, scholars said the sharia system would bring swift justice, and commentators said critics in the West had no right to interfere.
Today, with hundreds of thousands of people fleeing Swat and Pakistani troops launching an offensive to drive out the Taliban forces, the pendulum of public opinion has swung dramatically. The threat of “Talibanization” is being denounced in Parliament and on opinion pages, and the original defenders of an agreement that authorized sharia in Swat are in sheepish retreat.
The refugees are the “victims of ignorant cavemen masquerading as fighters of Islam,” columnist Shafqat Mahmood charged in the News International newspaper Friday. He said that the “barbarian horde” that invaded Swat never intended to implement a sharia-based judicial system and that they just used it as cover. “This is a fight for power, not Islam,” he wrote.
Such widely expressed views make a clear and careful distinction between the Taliban version of Islam – often described as narrow-minded, intolerant and punitive – and what might be called the mainstream Pakistani version of Islam, which is generally described as moderate and flexible.
Pakistan is a vast country with many sects and varieties of Islam, but experts here said most Pakistani Muslims agree that their religion has two complementary aspects. One is a set of unchangeable principles that guide their behavior, values, faith and relationships. The other is a practical application of these principles, which may adapt and evolve according to changing times and conditions, including war, weather, technology and taste.

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“Islam is our identity and our system of life, but variety and choice are part of it. People should dress modestly, but women don’t have to cover their faces and men don’t have to grow long beards,” said Khurshid Ahmad, an Islamic scholar and national legislator. “The Koran is very clear that there should be no coercion in religion. You cannot cram it down people’s throats. This is where the Taliban destroyed their own case.”
Yet the demand for sharia courts in Swat was not just a Taliban fiction. It was the result of deep public dissatisfaction with a secular state court system criticized across the country as slow and corrupt, with cases dragging on for decades and influential people often able to buy off police and win cases over their poor adversaries. Islamic courts are generally smaller, faster and cheaper.
Under Pakistan’s constitution, both types of courts function, but sharia courts have limited jurisdiction over certain crimes such as extramarital sex and murder. Sharia court judges have legal as well as religious training, and their verdicts can be appealed to state superior courts; nowhere do they have the kind of absolute powers the Taliban sought in Swat.
In March, many Pakistanis were horrified when a videotape surfaced that showed Taliban enforcers publicly whipping a teenage girl in Swat accused of having an affair. But experts here said this summary punishment without evidence or trial was un-Islamic and had nothing to do with sharia.
They said that if the girl had been brought before a real sharia court, the case would have been judged according to extremely high standards of proof, including testimony by four witnesses to the alleged illicit relations, and thus she might have gone free.
“When people talk about sharia law and punishments like cutting off a thief’s hand, they don’t realize there are 13 preconditions that have to be met before that punishment is ordered. That’s why nobody’s hand is ever cut off here,” said Raja Zafar ul-Haq, an Islamic scholar and political activist.
In theory, he said, there is no contradiction between Islam and democracy in Pakistan. The constitution says no law may contradict the Koran or the teachings of the prophet Muhammad. But in practice, the state justice system is so slow and biased that people are fed up.
“Unless there are major reforms,” he said, “the demand for sharia may spread all over the country.”
There is a growing movement in mosques and seminaries throughout Pakistan today to abolish the modern justice system and make sharia the supreme law of the land. Radical Islamic clerics in major cities give emotional weekly sermons, urging their followers to turn from decadent Western ways and spread vigorous moral purity.
Yet Pakistan has had bitter experiences with the overzealous application of sharia, especially when it has been combined with force. During the military dictatorship of Mohammed Zia ul-Haq from 1977 to 1988, a system of “Islamization” was imposed that mandated extreme sharia punishments, including stoning and flogging, for committing adultery and drinking alcohol.
These laws, which were known as the Hudood Ordinance and were finally amended and reformed in 2006, inflicted particular suffering on women. For one thing, if a woman tried to accuse a man of rape, she often ended up being found guilty of adultery and punished severely, while the man went free for lack of evidence.
Criticism of such draconian practices, which faded after Zia’s death in 1988, has suddenly revived as horror stories of Taliban-style justice have filtered out of the Swat Valley. Newspapers are filled with letters from readers expressing outrage at the perversion of Islam being perpetrated there and warning that the Taliban is trying to force a modern country back to medieval times.
And yet some observers have noticed a subtler, more insidious trend. It is not only the fire-breathing sermons by radical mullahs calling for a “sharia nation” or the rantings of Taliban leaders who accuse the entire Muslim government of being “infidel.”
These observers describe a creeping social and intellectual chill that several have called “the Talibanization of the mind.”
It is a growing tendency for women to cover their faces, for hosts to cancel musical events, for journalists to use phrases that do not offend powerful Islamist groups, for strangers to demand that shopkeepers turn off their radios.
“With each passing month a deeper silence prevails,” columnist Kamila Hyat recently wrote in a widely circulated article. The public is afraid, uncertain and retreating into religion because the country’s leaders are failing to address its problems. “Just as we fight to regain territory” from the Taliban, Hyat wrote, “we must struggle to regain the liberties we are losing.”

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funny these analysis stem out of washington post when pakistani media reports swatis to be fed up with the taliban, sure, but also with the tactics that are being employed to deal with taliban.

Pakistani Media …

Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan

PESHAWAR: The ‘bitter experience’ of Taliban rule has hardened the local population, who are now willing to accept a higher degree of collateral damage as a price for the security forces wiping out extremist elements from Swat district.

“We will rebuild our homes, but would not want to see the presence of even a single Talib after this operation,” displaced residents of Mingora said upon their arrival in Peshawar on Friday.

Even the people who were in favour of talks till some time back had this to say

‘Taliban’s agenda is terrorism, not Islam’: Mian Iftikhar](http://thenews.jang.com.pk/updates.asp?id=76866)

PESHAWAR: NWFP Information Minister Mian Iftikhar Hussain has said that militants have outrightly rejected the peace offer of the government, security forces and the people. He said the Taliban want to spread terror and Islam or Shariah is not their agenda

here is another bit of pakistani media, but usually in our national language do these news come in print.
just giving you the gist in case if u r not familiar with urdu,
SWATI Student association calling for military operation to end because its causing extreme loss of civilian life. and then some women complaining of dead bodies they had to leave behind (that of their children sometimes), calling the management for refugees poor and insufficient, one christian women even saying she faced no discrimination under taliban rule. Some politician even going at lengths to saying this was this oepration will lead to the pashtoon blood loss at our own soil (so lets say hello to the ethnic issue that will rear its ugly head)gives a whole new idea about why the massacre by taliban wasnt making them thank Allah for this intervention. Truth is diplomacy would have saved so many lives but no lets roll on with the hysteria.

Mera Shehar Peshawer - Daily Jang - Number One Newspaper of Pakistan

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So by posting an article that says some christian woman had no problem with the Taliban, are you suggesting we just allow for the Taliban to continue their control over their newfound Talibanistan (which is no longer Pakistan by the way so if you walked onto their territory as a Pakistani they would feel like they had full authority to detain you for tresspassing on what YOU might have thought was Pakistan)?

Do you think the Taliban are justified in what they're doing?

Would you be okay living under a Taliban gov't.

Really coquet, I'd like you to answer these questions because you are seeming more and more like a Taliban chamcha than anything else these days.

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rotfl, 26 nations combined couldn't take them down over 10 years, you really think Pak army has the capability? Are you even fighting an enemy worth fighting?

As a Pakistani, I think our forces should pull out, so we have some izzat left.

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So when faced with a cunning enemy, the option is to surrender and cede pakistani territory? I guess you will have no problem if the US and India take pakistani land too.

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So we just keep appeasing to these people, because apparently, in your mind they're undefeatable? Keep letting them take over villages and subject villages to cruelty and a harshened code they call "Islam"? Allow them to take over territory of another country's and call it their own, and persecute any law enforcement offical, any elected national official and any military man that crosses onto the territory they think belongs to them?

Really?

Id love to meet you in person, because I'd give you such a lesson ke tumhari naani ki achaar yaad aa jaygi. Samjhe?

quote me where i said we should follow taliban? you sound more and more like something that usa congress threw up but that is totally my personal take.
i said that there as much an out cry against this military action as we hear against talib tactics. perhaps if you utilise one cell that is left in your brain you would be able to appreciate that being agianst operation is not equal to being pro taliban.

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Uh, except when ALL YOU DO on this forum is complain about drone attacks, and you barely spend any time

  1. coming up with a better plan

  2. condemning what the Taliban are doing

then it clearly seems like you are about as anti-America as the Taliban are and are essentially supporting them. And you posting an article quoting some Christian lady as saying "well they're not that bad, I don't mind living under them" - you actually ARE supporting the Taliban.

So, if you really don't support them, I would be VERY CAREFUL about what you're quoting.

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to disagree doesn't necessarily mean to support. get a hold of yourself. tossing out labels on others is an act of desperation.

Pakistan's problem is with TTP because they're waging war against Pakistan. What the Afghanistan's Taliban do is their business and frankly their own fight because they were invaded.

Pakistan needs to eliminate TTP (proxified Taliban) and cleanse the land of terrorism/extremism (both left extreme and right extreme) both are hellbent on forcing their views on each other.

:hehe: yes now i am truly scared. now anti US and pro taliban are same thing. surprise me further?what is your plan in any situaiton ? oh thats right kill them. kill who? just kill damnit! what was it i said about being a congress threw up.