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I dunno but my guess is Pushto and Farsi.
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i think its dari lingo , the one afghaniz speak , kinda mixture of pushto and farsi
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Most of them are speaking pashto. Damn those pashto speaking biharis.
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Yeah I still think the Nuke-em approach wont do anything. You have to brainwash them out of this slowly, just like they were brainwashed into it slowly.
Re: Taliban, Madrassas and Brainwashing
Yeah I still think the Nuke-em approach wont do anything. You have to brainwash them out of this slowly, just like they were brainwashed into it slowly.
yeah as long as you are okay with things being blown up in the interim.
rehab them and at the same time contain and defeat them. thats what is needed
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**Reforming the tribal areas **](The News International: Latest News Breaking, World, Entertainment, Royal News)
By M Ismail Khan
It is a catch 22 situation for the country in the Tribal Areas. If the government leaves it alone, as it has done since independence, the region becomes a lawless sanctuary for radicals threatening national and regional security. If it intervenes the troops sent in to establish the writ of the state are met with violent reactions from the tribes. And if the government doesn’t do this, the international community has made it clear that it will take direct military action - which obviously means more trouble.
Although the tentacles of suicide bombers is said to have spread across the NWFP, Balochistan and parts of Punjab, but the federally administered Tribal Areas are considered the real bastion of radicalism in the country. In addition to a lethal mix of primitive tribalism, religious conservatism, and geographic proximity with Afghanistan, another factor that has really contributed in shaping the present face of the tribal areas is the lack of pro-people reforms in the region.
** The seven tribal regions are still administered under the Frontier Crimes Regulation (FCR) Act of 1901 introduced by the British and designed to extract alliance of the tribes through a ruthless carrot and stick policy. FCR is a toxic mix of customary laws prevalent in the ancient tribal society and colonial control tactics. It was obviously convenient for the colonial rulers to recognize maliks and sardars and devolve the responsibility of maintaining order through brute force to them. The council of elders (jirga) was allowed to settle local disputes without government interference. However, all decisions made by the jirga had to be approved by the political agents which he would do as a matter of routine, except in cases involving the interest of the rulers.
At the time of independence, Pakistan instead of reviewing the FCR and trying to integrate the tribes into NWFP decided in favour of retaining the system applied by the colonial masters. The political agents were provided suppressive executive powers that they would use in coordination with about over thirty thousand maliks to run the affairs of about six million tribes in the most arbitrary manner reminiscent of the colonial era. Like the colonial rulers it is the privilege of the political agent to confer the title of malik to an individual tribesman, thus the maliks report to the political agents and the ordinary tribal souls rests at the mercy of the maliks.
The system has been vulnerable to all kinds of corruption, the bureaucrats sitting in the FATA secretariat at Peshawar are not in a position to oversee the state of affairs between political agents and maliks. Government contracts, services and other facilities are openly used as bargaining chips to win loyalties or reward favourites. Smuggling and trade of illegal items including drugs and guns remain rampant.
Tribal areas were the spring board for military action during the Afghan war, billions of dollars and equipment were pumped in, and a large number of jihadis from all parts of the world was brought into the areas, the consequence of which the poor tribesmen are still struggling with. On the heals of this cataclysmic onslaught came the Taliban who swept across the areas of Afghanistan but were soon to be pushed back and are now stuck between the tribal hospitality and hostilities of the coalition forces next door in Afghanistan.
All these events were beyond the immediate control and choice of the tribesmen as such. Initially they felt like pawns stranded in a fight between many large forces. They were certainly helpless in resisting the drift towards radicals operating in the name of Islam, as they didn’t see a viable alternate on which they could rely on. The old systems were eroding fast, new and more powerful groups had emerged with a new agenda and were dictating terms, and the delicate socio-governance structure had started to crumble all over the place.
The primitive mix of tribalism and brute power has proved incompatible to the enabling environment required for socio-economic development. And for a long time there were no appropriate development institutions in the areas; there is hardly any coordination and synergy between the ones that exist now in these areas and those institutions working at national or provincial levels. While maliks and their offsprings prospered at the expense of the ordinary tribesmen, the latter sunk deeper and deeper into the abyss of poverty and neglect. The appalling socio-economic conditions served as the ideal breeding ground for extremists who infested the region.
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Following 9/11 and the change of government in Kabul, Pakistan had to deploy troops in all seven tribal agencies; the action was meant to block retreating Taliban and their foreign friends from entering into the country. However, this was the first time that Pakistani troops had to move into henceforth no go areas since independence and that too on the insistence of the US, which did annoy many tribesmen. The ensuing conflict has since consumed scores of lives on both sides, and with the new wave of attacks on military positions new battle lines have been drawn, and it seems that the elements in the tribal areas are bent upon throttling war with the state.
Although the world is yet to find a modes ope***** to de-radicalise a place like the tribal areas, but it can be argued that had the government introduced governance reforms in the areas some thirty years ago or even after the Afghan war it would have been a different situation that the Pakistani army is facing in the tribal areas today. Instead of leaving the region and its people at the mercy of maliks and political agents, the establishment should have set up proper political, judicial and governmental institutions. The tribal areas should have become an independent province or could have been integrated with the NWFP. Unfortunately most formidable resistance for reforms, may it be in Balochistan, the Northern Areas or the Tribal Areas, comes from the entrenched bureaucracy running the show as it compromises their dominance and financial interests.
** But when it comes to the Tribal Areas, we’ll have to choose between a tribal system of governance and proper state system, you can’t have both ways. If the tribal areas are a part of the state, they should correspond to the other parts of the state and should fall in line with the state policies. When it comes down to interest of the state and wishes of a tribe it is the will of the state that must prevail. No questions about that.**
(Dedicated to the jawan and junior recruits who lost their lives in the recent suicide bombings in the service of their country)
Author doesn’t mention any specific reforms but he does put forward some of the reasons we r facing a situation in FATA
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I think what the author has said is just underlining the obvious. As you said the real issue is how do we introduce the concept of a state government into these areas and people. From a fifty thousand foot level I would say money needs to be injected into the area for the welfare of the people. This would gradually establish an image of a government that wants to take care of those people. Schools, hospitals, some factories, textile, etc need to constructed in there and people should be offered employment to alleviate poverty. Ofcourse all this would need protected by government troops. Initially this will have to be done with the Maliks in confidence and ofcourse they will usurp their profits from it. This has to continue until people realize that cannot survive without these facilities and economic bliss (relative), once that happens it will be time to change the Maliks. If reforms are introduced without them involved initially it will be anarchy and revolt and the reforms will never see the light of day. When a person has less to worry about how he will survive and feed his family he can always concentrate of other things which he would refuse to understand or accept otherwise.
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so what language are these poofs speaking?
Be it Pashto or Dari it's all hate talk.