Some people will say anything to justify their actions…our Holy Prophet Peace Be Upon Him never ordered the Massacre, it was the decision of a Jewish leader who passed the sentence on the Jewish tribe.
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And this shows how misguided some people can be.Hazrat Abu Saeed Khudri (RU) and Hazrat Anas (RU) report that the Prophet (SAWS) stated: ‘My Ummah is destined to differ and be divided. So a group will rise whose talks will sound very good but their character will be misleading. They will read the Quran but it will not descend below their throats (meaning they will not understand its meanings). They will leave Deen just as an arrow pierces and goes right through the prey. They will not return to Islam. They are the worst of creation because of their nature and constitution. They will call the people towards the Quran and Deen whilst in reality they will have nothing to do with Islam.
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Orya maqboolwrote a very good column over this.
Column of Orya Maqbool Jan in Daily Express of 26 Decemeber | Tehelka Clips
This khurasani should be charged for misquoting quran and sunnah. I hope the operation against them is swift and effective.
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When you study the nature of Pakistan, the Ulema and their concept of Islam, and how the deceminate that understanding, the more you realize that these people are completely mental.
The other day, Amir liaquet had on some Mullahs. One of them made the point that these terrorists are nothing more then a distraction from the real enemy of Islam, the Ahmadi ! They, he claimed to the applause of the audience, were the ones who deserve the noose.
I sincerely hope that these terrorist create some space for thought in the heads of the average Pakistani. Perhaps they might conclude, the supposed guardians of Islam, the respected Moulanas, arent really worth listening to.
The difference between these Taliban and the Mullahs that are deemed acceptable is only in degrees of insanity. Each thinks someone else is worthy of death.
So really, why should this surprise anyone? This wajabul qatal stuff has been going around for years. People are only upset when someone says its THEM that deserve death.
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Man these guys are really gonna get it on judgement day.
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THIS is what should we call Blasphemy against the holy name of the prophet(pbuh). Now where are those who lynch people on hearsay and on false charges.
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Blashphemy indeed! They use Rasoolullah ( SAWS ), who was sent as a rahmah to this world, to justify their blood lust.
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So where are they getting the information that young boys and a woman was also killed along with men as retribution for treason by the tribe Banu Quraizah?
Also, did the Peshawar school children commit treason against the Taliban ?
Sounds like they are out to portray Islam as a murderous religion by misusing the killing of Banu Quraiza event, which is a sore wound for some Jews even today.
And I also read that the tribe itself asked to have one of their former tribal leaders prescribe their punishment for treason and that they would accept whatever punishment he recommended. And so he did.
This was such a grave act of treason that if successful, it could have annihilated the Muslims forever.
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this is what happens when you use ancient religious scripture as law instead of tightly worded up to date laws suiting today’s time and context. and lol @ those blaming jews. you are the same as these terrorists.
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There is a belief among many that the codified laws of Islam are complete and immutable, and utterly sacrosanct. That there can be no debate, not interpretation, just application regardless of the situation. Its so illogical. Like trying to force a square piece through a triangular hole. One of the reasons why the so called “blasphemy law,” is so difficult to get rid of.
But these religious types are so self righteous, they are convinced they are on the right path. Unfortunate for Pakistan, that the rational minded people were sidelined by these right wing nut jobs long ago.
Not that I expect any thing decent from these animals, but just because a picture of a guy is posted next to some words, does not mean the the guy actually said so. Even the news article did not have a better proof than the picture, and only mentioned that “khurasani was quoted to say …” Let’s not believe everything we see on internet please
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I dont have much knowledge about books on Sunnah , however since i cannot digest such decision by the Rehmatul-lil-alameen , as far as i read the main source for this incident is Ibn Ishaq . Ibn Kathir has followed what he mentioned. He is not considered as mudallis. His narrations are hardly used alone as hasan
2nd point is that Jews history is silent about this incident . Hence I have real doubt that such thing took place i.e mass killing and digging common qabr…
3rd point : if such strict punishment is to be given this must have been mentioned in continuation to the Ayaah mentioning this incident.
Allah knows better.
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why don’t the top mullahs and religious bodies of Islam band together and just expel terrorists - I am talking about something of a more global fatwa. These guys are able to come together for fund raising, or to ban rushdie… why not this to save the dignity of the religion?
we need something that the illiterate and semi-literate masses can understand - that clearly and unequivocally tells them that terrorists have been rejected
remember, while the current terrorists are a big problem, the constant supply of recruits is what is keeping them going. And that recruitment is not from within a secluded community called terrorists but from a globally dispersed muslim community with the ONLY common thread being the religion - so take the religion out of the terrorists!
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Right except this wont happen as long as even “progressive” religious scholars in the US are making excuses for the Taliban. When the Peshawar attack happened, I read at least ONE scholar who is popular with the youth (as in a celebrity type maulvi) reminding people that “Well, the taliban’s kids have died too, so this is what happens when we attack them”.
I mean when you make excuses for these attacks or try to create sympathy in any group, then your followers may very well flock to rescue that group out of sympathy. That means, they’ll go join these jihadi groups.
Just look on facebook on the public comments under these celebrity american mullahs’ postings, and you’ll see what a terrorist mindset some people have. There are a lot of young guys - AMERICAN MUSLIMS - chanting anti-west, anti-american statements, and pro-extremist statements.
It’s really sad. I have yet to see a maulvi say “Taliban are haraam, and to join them, you’re commiting yourself to hell”.
Not many have said it.
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but that is exactly what is to be said and not by one few or many maulvis - it needs to be said by an overwhelming majority of those seen as religious and community leaders in unison. Without that the religion is lost to the terrorists.
it is a tall order. I wonder if peaceful muslims bother to use social media and comm a tenth as effectively as the jihadi nuts seem to
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its a game of sects and publicity
This attack has brought out sympathy for the victims more then previous attacks. I see even people of all sects condemning the attack. However under the surface there is support for these attacks, and the tactics used. At least some of the comments condemning the attacks can be recognized as crocodile tears like an elephant in the room.
A couple of the people i spoke to who wished to highlight the wrong of this attack, actually supported other organisations who commit similar attacks. ! So we are stuck
However the outcry of disgust on this particular attack has at least pulled everyone together, even if some people are doing it just for this occasion, not a general stand against khawarij
The Taliban is to us in indopak and our wahabis is what Isis is to the middle east and their wahabis. They are actually a good representative groups of their respective ideologies. Its only politics and public relations and fear for personal safety, for example the monarchies fearing for their seat, That they are being condemned. The ideologies themselves are pretty good representative of their respective sects
The sects which are trying to take a salafi approach have been hijacked or may be even given Khawarijism by Allah Ta’ala. We can support these khawarij by taking fatawa from them [islamqa] or [askimam] as many people are doing. The couple of people that i spoke to supported the anti shia groups who use the same tactics. Somewhere along the lines these people have indoctrinated laymen to support these tactics like indiscriminate killing
It should be known that many moulvis of these groups do support an element of violence to stop functions such as Milad and Urs, and other practices of the Ahlus Sunnah wal Jamaah [traditional Islam]. I once posted a video of israr ahmed recommending jihad against Mawlid and Urs and this has only been highlighted by one person to me. So we have more or less come to accept the oppositions views on matter.
The ideology behind the attacks is rotten but short term, and for the purpose of solutions right here right now are limited. They have also had to endure attacks on their children! This is wrong and likewise a very very bad loss of respect for the Ahlus Sunnah wal Jamaah that some governments were allowed to attack the taliban without the consent of Ahlus Sunnah nor the communities residing most closely to the taliban. They have got us on this point. I cant see an answer for its justification
However previously they also stated that they would like to overtake Pakistan and impose [their] Shariah over it. I can say they should be fought for this if they tried to over take Pakistan with their ideology. For example i consider any one who views ‘all’ seeking of aid at the Blessed Resting Places [Graves] of Muslims as shirk as a deviant himself. The seeking of aid at Graves is something Islam brought to us, and as such if we go against this Mercy and reject it, we will have innovated against The Mercy of Allah Ta’ala knowingly. This is bad
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If ever Muslims could stop fighting among themselves.