Taliban leader killed by SAS was Pakistan officer

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Spock the question is when did we have Afghanistan's friendship since Karzai came to power? Secondly the harm has been done. We have to clean it up and next time make sure it doesn't happen again.

But if we can use them in the meanwhile, by all means we should do so to maintain our strategic interests.

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^ We never did, true but that doesnt mean we make it worse through rogue operations through an organization whose credibility is being questioned by everyone, including our own.

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Lets clarify a few things. In the case of maintaining Pakistan's integrity and national interest, i don't give a damn what the western media thinks or says. Its pretty obvious everybody on this forum does. But that is irrelevant when comes to the ISI and the military.

Secondly on a simple note, what gives you or anybody the right to discuss the inner-workings of the ISI? You don't see the the media going around asking for the KGBs, Mossads, or RAWs modus ope***** now do you? So why is the ISI so special in this case?

So far only the Western media has said that these elements are rogue. Who is to say they are right and not simply causing mindless panic?

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^ First of all, I dont need anyone's permission do discuss anything. Secondly, you seem pretty convinced that the ISI is a goody goody Pakistani first organization. Hate to break it to you beta-jee, but its not. Lastly, I still find it amusing how you linked the ISI to this army office, making the so called 'big bad' western media's job easier. With so many in the Pak armed forces that have sympathies with the Taliban, especially the ISI (the ones who created them in the first place), it could have been just a case of someone changing loyalties.

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You serious???

You need to spend more time in Pakistan to find out what Pakistani's think.

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Currently am in Pakistan. Plan on heading up to the tribal belt in December. When I speak I back it up with experience, not from reading the internet.

Spock the you was generic and not addressed to you directly. It is a simple question since when are the operating procedures of the countries intelligence and black ops agency open for debate and discussion? Secondly I see the ISI as a necessary organization - the only one today working to ensure that our national interests remain in tact.

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Secondly, you seem pretty convinced that the ISI is a goody goody Pakistani first organization. Hate to break it to you beta-jee, but its not.
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Proof to back up such statements?

The ISI is run by the military. Men from the Military join the ISI for short periods 4 years roughly after which they leave. The ISI is not a career. It is a short stint. Nothing more. Has been the operating procedure since the 70s.

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If you are in Pakisatan, you need to talk to a cross section of scoiety, and learn the ground realities, not this myopic, gullible and naive view you often espouse.

Good luck to you. :smokin2:

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For starters, maybe you should read about mehrangate, and how the ISI and the top brass took money from yunus habibi. They have rigged elections and have stunted the growth of democracy, when it was in its infancy and had a chance. Amnesty international in 2006 made a report where they accused the ISI of torturing and selling many Pakistanis without a legal process and selling them for a bounty of $5,000.

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Lets do this. When you spend time in the tribal belt out of personal choice to get to know the people of your country better and try to ascertain why they keep fighting we shall talk.

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ISI is totally corrupt just like its creators. Why even consider ISI as a separate entity it is just a sub branch of CIA/MI6. Every concerned citizen has a right to discuss what these agencies are upto and whether agency is working in the interest of Pakistan or for the criminals in Islamabad, London and DC. Those who support such criminal agencies are just regurgitating the typical bureaucratic talking points. I am sure either they or their family member is some high ranking government bureaucrat and they would go to any means to defend government that pays their big fat salaries.

Time Out — July 2012
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So democracy was not stunted back in the 1950s. No the big bad ISI did it. Of course the ISI killed Benazir Bhutto, they are responsible for all the deaths in the Bhutto family, they caused this economic melt down and are personally responsible for scaring children in the dark.

Did I miss anything?

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^ Sarcasm wont help, what I gave you was hard evidence against the ISI, no mai ka laal can challenge it. ISI isnt run by a bunch of Pakistani loving farishtaz, they are as sincere to Pakistan as any other politician.

Time Out — July 2012
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Agreed, and its about time we stop thinking of them as some sort of saviors of Pakistan and make them accountable for the mess they land us in everytime.

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It's possible that it was a Pakistani soldier but it's definitely a lie that he bore Pakistani Army ID, it's nonsense, and whoever believes in this bull****t is an idiot.
I believe supporting Taliban is in favour of Pakistan as Taliban are the shield to Pakistan, if Talibans have been wiped out, Pakistan will be cleansed from the map of the world. Pakistanis don't have balls to fight US or NATO while they were kicked out in the ass by Hindus in 1971.