Taliban/Al-Qaeda still beating Pak Army

Have read many of these reports previously. It seems Pak Army is still not winning, even on home ground, and on the terrain they are accustomed to.

It is time they leave govt and become professional soldiers again, before these fundos gain even more ground

http://www.guardian.co.uk/pakistan/Story/0,1735600,00.html

Pakistani Taliban take control of unruly tribal belt

A powerful new militia dubbed “the Pakistani Taliban” has effectively seized control of swaths of the country’s northern tribal areas in recent months, triggering alarm in Islamabad and marking a big setback in America’s “war on terror”.

The militants are strongest in North and South Waziristan, two of seven tribal agencies on the border with Afghanistan. Strict social edicts have been handed down: shopkeepers may not sell music or films; barbers are instructed not to shave beards. Yesterday a bomb blew up a radio transmitter in Wana, taking the state radio off the air.

Militants collect taxes from passing vehicles at new checkpoints, and last week an Islamic court was established in Wana to replace the traditional jirga, or council of elders. Rough justice has already been dispensed elsewhere. A gang of seven alleged bandits were executed in Miran Shah in December and their bodies were hung from a post in the town centre.

The violent puritanism is spreading. On Sunday a remote-controlled bomb ripped through a police vehicle in Dera Ismail Khan, near South Waziristan, killing seven people. More than 100 pro-government elders and politicians have been killed in the past nine months, said a diplomat.

The Pakistani military deployed 70,000 troops to Waziristan two years ago to rein in the militants. But the campaign is faltering. An army assault against an alleged al-Qaida training camp outside Miran Shah on March 1 left more than 100 dead.

Fareed Ullah Khan, a resident, said he cowered inside his home for three days as shells whistled overhead and the air rattled with gunfire. As the fighting intensified, his family scurried from room to room in search of safety.
“We were afraid the bullets might land where we were hiding,” said Mr Khan, who has since fled to Peshawar, the capital of North-West Frontier province. President Pervez Musharraf has vowed to quell the revolt. Since declaring a curfew in Miran Shah, government troops have regained control. But some people are worried. “The so-called war on terror is going badly,” said one diplomat.

Comparisons to the emergence of the Afghan Taliban in the early 1990s are increasing. Although they have distinct identities, the groups are strongly linked - both are ethnic Pashtun - and Afghans use Waziristan as a rear base.
Analysts say the Pakistani Taliban is a loose alliance of tribal militia operating under radical clerics such as Sadiq Noor and Abdul Khaliq.** Many are angered by heavy-handed Pakistani military attacks against suspected al-Qaida hideouts, which are thought to have killed hundreds of civilians over the last two years. **

The tribesmen are allied with al-Qaida fugitives, mostly from Uzbekistan and Chechnya. The foreigners have blended into the tribal structures, buying loyalties and marrying local women.

Foreign reporters are banned from the area and most local journalists have fled. One, Hayatullah Khan, 32, was abducted in December and is still missing.
The US is impatient to catch more senior al-Qaida figures. Unmanned Predator drones, now armed with Hellfire missiles, sweep over the tribal areas on surveillance missions so often that villagers now recognise their engine noise.
In January American forces destroyed a house in Bajaur tribal agency where it thought al-Qaida’s second in command, Ayman al-Zawahiri, was hiding. Thirteen villagers were killed. The US has carried out several strikes, said a well-placed diplomat, but it has let Pakistan claim responsibility.

Such attacks have won the militants much support. “These are not the proper Taliban,” said the refugee Mr Khan. “They are the common people who have revolted against the [Pakistani] government and targeted killings by Americans.”

The Taliban presence in northern Pakistan also concerns Britain, which is deploying more than 3,300 troops in the southern Afghan provinces of Helmand and Kandahar.
British intelligence contributed “heavily” to a list of about some 150 Pakistan-based Taliban suspects that the Afghan president, Hamid Karzai, brought to Islamabad last month, the diplomat said.

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The US has carried out several strikes, said a well-placed diplomat, but it has let Pakistan claim responsibility.
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I knew some of the strikes were too good to be true for PAF.

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Yet another example of Commie Leftie venom straight from the Commie Bhonpoo Guardian.

1970s mop up in Balochistan was needed during civilian admn. Commies even back then cried foul and blamed army.

Fast forward to this decade, and commies are still at it. Trying to malign Pakistan as much as they can.

Waziris have sold their soul (and many other things) to Arabs. Pak army is careful not to throw the good Waziris with the dirty Mullahtic water (like throwing the baby with the bath water thingy).

It will take some time to put this Talibanic $tupidity. Look how long did it take for British Democracy to control Irish trouble.

Jumping on "beat Pakistan" band wagon is an old Commie ploy that is being used on this forum as well as other outlets.

Make no mistake, commies will be defeated! Again.

Pakistan has a bright future ahead. I have a dream!

p.s. Talbanic weirdos should be given the due punishment for killing Afridi soldiers, Pakistani Shias, and Pakistani Christians.

Close down all the Mad-House-Russahs (Madrussahs).

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Anti- Just becuz you don't like it doesn't mean it is, as you put it....Commie
Leftie venom

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OK, must be Mullahtic venom then!

Guardian is a well known leftie Bhonpoo and hence a commie-sympathizer.

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It is very apparent that there are alot of fundos in Pakistan (religious figures) who believe in 'the killing of infidels', regardless of the fact that they are Pakistanis. How should the Government deal with them:

A. Beat them up with leather chittarz
B. Poisoning their halwa
C. Setting their dhari ablaze
D. All of the above

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Theres a lot more going on there than meets the eye. Theres so much dirt, its not even funny, but distressing. Thats why tis high time we pashutns get ur act together, and unite on a one political platform.

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Amen brother!

Strong, law-abiding, modern, civilized, secular, and prosperous Pushtoons will be an asset for the whole region.

Best wishes.

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This situation is a complete mess. The army needs to realize that violence is not a solution.

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Yeap! and so do the tribals. Quit attacking and killing peace loving Pushtoons and army will get out of the areas.

Lawlessness created by the tribals will not earn them roses!