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PPP is seen as the people’s party everywhere except for Northern Punjab, and it is the only party that unites Pakistan? 
Is that right…
The rest of your post is pretty much everything you always type everytime you post.
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That is not right , PPP is still there .
Come back to the topic
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Negligible participation of punjabis in the army?
Yes thats one point (due to the higher population), but still the policies and directions of the army comes from the top brass in military.
On a side note I do support more inductions from other provinces too, hopefully the situation will improve in that direction too in the future.
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You have obviously failed to memorise my posts if that what I always post. You should read me with with more care and realise that i have quite diverse posts.
Well the PPP has support in Sindh, Punjab, Balochistan, Khyber Pakhutnkhwa and Gilgit-Baltistan. Nawaz Sharif’s support is localized. No other party comes close to them. That is pretty important that they have quite a wide support base throughout Pakistan.
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yet another bashing thread for Zardari and PPP. Keep it up it is your foremost duty.
And this thread has nothing to do with PPP or its 'cleanest government', I just wanted to explore this myth in some details as we keep on hearing about it day in day out. I personally think there was no problem until there was no leadership in Punjab but when leadership started evolving there then this terminology was coined.
Secondly if Punjab has been doing something wrong (which has given rise to this sentiment in smaller provinces) can also come to the fore.
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So Jamali was a Baloch president but we all no the plight of the Baloch. It does not matter if you have a Chief Minister from a particular area - it does not make it a representative and egalitarian system. There are huge differences in Northern Punjab and Southern Punjab, not to forget Northern Punjab and the other provinces. Northern Punjab is more developed.
The way Punjab is treated with others is different - has there never really been a military operation there?
I am by no means a fan of the PPP but the way the PPP and its supporters and viewed by people from Northern Punjab and even on this forum simply because they do not have a strong enough presence there shows there is an element of discrimination. Pepople out of North Punjab simply do not understand the appeal of the PPP in most of Pakistan. They are to an extent seen as traitors even though they are the only party which unites most Pakistan (for better or for worse).
On the other hand it maybe that politicians from Northern Punjab are fairer, less corrupt and more organised in terms of development. Personally I feel it is a mix of everything. Maybe Punjab is more developed because it was the region more loyal to the British in Pakistan and it was there the British centred the power and as Pakistan came aout in 1947, we never moved on from there.
I dont think the politicians of North Punjab are fairer, its only that the populace is more educated and the area is free from jageerdarana system that still prevails in most of the country. And yes there are some hardcore PPP supporters in my family too, but some have become disillusioned with the passage of time.
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All the best performing districts in HDI indicators are in northern Punjab except Karachi . All the poorest are in balochistan , fata and northern kp
Balochistan, FATA and some areas of KP have been neglected during the past 60 years no doubt. But in addition to this neglect I think one difference between Northern Punjab/KP and the rest of the country is that they are free from the wadera system, hence the politicians have to spend some money on the infrastructure otherwise they will be booted out in the next elections. Where as the areas where the wadera system exists even if they do nothing in the next elections people will still vote for the person their "saeen" will ask them to vote for.
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Takht e Lahore is a true fact.. 1st person to destabilise democracy Ghulam Muhammad , Zia again. Left an even worse legacy. Most military ops have been in other provinces
Even as far as the military operations are concerned, three were held in Balochistan when Punjab did not have that much clout in politics and military. The fourth was when Bhutto was ruling (you can say that General Tikka was a Punjabi). The 5th operation in Balochistan and WOT (FATA) was begun by Musharraf, and its now continuing with Zardari ruling (agree Kayani is Punjabi). And if you see even now its the Punjabi politicians (Imran and Sharif brothers) who are against both of these wars.
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Do you really want to understand Takht e Lahore mentality .
Just know the history of Bahawalpur merger into Punjab .
You will know them .
No need to go far Here on this page
New Provinces : Bahawalpur, Multan and Hazarah
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I think everything was fine until the power was completely in the hands of the feudals, now facing some challenge from leadership arising from non feudal areas they are feeling the heat and desperately trying their utmost to keep control over the country in any case. Hopefully with the passage of time these feudals will lose their clout in their own areas as well.
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Who merged Khairpur into Sindh Province? the mentality who merged Bahawalpur into Punjab also merged Khairpur into Sindh at the same time.
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Who merged Khairpur into Sindh Province? the mentality who merged Bahawalpur into Punjab also merged Khairpur into Sindh at the same time.
Khairpur was never given status of a province but Qauid e Azam pronised this to Bahwalpur .
There was an assembly of Bahawalpur and Makhdoomzada Hasan Mehmood was CM before one Unit
Read more before posting .
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Khairpur was still a state till Oct 14, 1955 similar to Bahawalpur (mind you no one is against the revival of the province of Bahawalpur).
In 1955 when the provinces were merged together to form West Pakistan, the princely states were abolished.
Khairpur District - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Khairpur State was ruled by Talpur Mirs (ameers) of the Talpur dynasty from 1783 to 1955. In 1947, when Pakistan gained independence, Khairpur Mir’s was one of the princely states that opted to join Pakistan. In 1955, the Government of Pakistan announced the abolition of all the princely states and Khairpur Mir’s was annexed into the then province of West Pakistan.
Bahawalpur (princely state) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
After one century of such relations, they were dissolved by the departure of the British, when the state opted to accede to the new dominion of Pakistan, with effect from 7 October 1947. It was merged into the province of West Pakistan on 14 October 1955.
This is what West Pakistan looked like after October 1955 (One Unit), all princely states were abolished and merged into Pakistan completely.
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I am by no means a fan of the PPP but the way the PPP and its supporters and viewed by people from Northern Punjab and even on this forum simply because they do not have a strong enough presence there shows there is an element of discrimination.
I would beg to differ with you on this point. You are taking every aspect into your consideration except performance. If a party cobbles together an alliance to rule the country and after 4 years of rule it takes the country backwards, I do not see any reasons to applaud that party. How do you keep silent on abuse of your mandate?
I have no problem with PPP whatever it is consisted of as long as it delivers. But you know it did not do its job.
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Mind you I have great respect for Sadiq Muhammad Khan Abbasi as he did a lot for his people, Sadiq Public School in Bahawalpur is one of the best schools of the country which is the living example of his vision for the well being of his people.
However some more details about the annexation of Bahawalpur into West Pakistan from Wikipedia.
Sadeq Mohammad Khan V - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
In 1953, Sir Sadeq represented Pakistan at the installation of Faisal II of Iraq and at the coronation of Elizabeth II. Two years later, Sir Sadeq was promoted to General in the Pakistani Army, and the same year, he merged his state into West Pakistan while continuing to hold ruling powers.
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I would beg to differ with you on this point. You are taking every aspect into your consideration except performance. If a party cobbles together an alliance to rule the country and after 4 years of rule it takes the country backwards, I do not see any reasons to applaud that party. How do you keep silent on abuse of your mandate?
I have no problem with PPP whatever it is consisted of as long as it delivers. But you know it did not do its job.
The country was already going backward anyway as of 2006, which does not excuse the PPP as they promised to change but failed to deliver, as you rightly point out. However, regardless of whether they deliver or not people still vote for them.
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Merger into west Pakistan and merger of a province into Punjab are two different thing .
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When West Pakistan ceased to exist, then the princely states were not revived, thats it. However no one from Punjab was in the helm of affairs during those times.
The one unit was created during Ayub's time, and demolished by Yahya Khan (we can consider him a punjabi as he was born in chakwal). The main politicians at the time of creation of the four provinces in July 1970 were Bhutto from West Pakistan and Mujeeb from East Pakistan. Even most of the CM's and Governors of Punjab during that period had been from the Seraiki Belt.
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I am very sorry but I am looking you more bias which you didn't look when you talk about Balochistan .
Apni Ghaltion ko pehchan lena aur un say sabaq seekhna boht zaroori hay .
Point scoring can not bring you forward as a nation .
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Another interesting thing is that if we divide Punjab politically into Potohar, central Punjab and Seraiki areas the power has almost exclusively remained with Seraiki till the 1980's where as military has remained with Potohar. Theres not that much ethusism in Punjab to go into military per se. And I do want a more inclusive military having more people from Sindh and Balochistan. If we see the role of central Punjab that's only after the sharifs.