Quran 24:60:
“Such elderly women as are past the prospect of marriage, - there is no blem on them if they lay aside their (outer) garments, provided they make not a wanton display of their beauty, but it is best for them to be modest and Allah is one who sees and knows all things.”
well i was discussing hijab with someone and he mentioned this ayah…so what am asking if for a tafseer of this ayah…does this mean that older women dont have to wear hijab?
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Why you need a human-written tafseer. Isn't obvious from the source itself. Why change and twist it.
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urmm what did i change or twist?..
i just asked a simple question…coz the person i was discussing with and myself had different opinions on it…so i just wanted to know what others have to say about it…
jisko ilm ho please yaha thori help kardo:flowers:
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please mention.
what was the difference of opinion. though the ayah itself is very simple and clear.
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he says that she can present herself bare headed infront of a na-mahram as the ayah says that they can lay aside their outer garments while i say that onl the face can be left unveiled
he says that she can present herself bare headed infront of a na-mahram as the ayah says that they can lay aside their outer garments while i say that onl the face can be left unveiled
i think he is saying rite. for aged women like 70 0r 80 years a men do not have sex appeal genrally. the same is case for the man. so shariah has provided a relaxation to the aged women.
This is the most authentic Tafsir, by Ibn Kathir.
There is no Sin on Elderly Women if They do not wear a Cloak
[RIGHT]وَالْقَوَاعِدُ مِنَ النِّسَآءِ][/RIGHT]
(And the Qawaid among women.) Said bin Jubayr, Muqatil bin Hayyan, Ad-Dahhak and Qatadah said that these are the women who no longer think that they can bear children,
[RIGHT]الَّلَـتِى لاَ يَرْجُونَ نِكَاحاً][/RIGHT]
(who do not hope for marriage,) meaning, they no longer have any desire for marriage,
[RIGHT]فَلَيْسَ عَلَيْهِنَّ جُنَاحٌ أَن يَضَعْنَ ثِيَابَهُنَّ غَيْرَ مُتَبَرِّجَـتِ بِزِينَةٍ][/RIGHT]
(it is no sin on them if they discard their (outer) clothing in such a way as not to show their adornment.) meaning, they do not have to cover themselves in the same way that other women have to. Abu Dawud recorded that Ibn `Abbas said that the Ayah:
[RIGHT]وَقُل لِّلْمُؤْمِنَـتِ يَغْضُضْنَ مِنْ أَبْصَـرِهِنَّ][/RIGHT]
(And tell the believing women to lower their gaze) [24:31] was abrogated and an exception was made in the case of:
[RIGHT]وَالْقَوَاعِدُ مِنَ النِّسَآءِ الَّلَـتِى لاَ يَرْجُونَ نِكَاحاً][/RIGHT]
(the past childbearing among women who do not hope for marriage, .)
[RIGHT]فَلَيْسَ عَلَيْهِنَّ جُنَاحٌ أَن يَضَعْنَ ثِيَابَهُنَّ][/RIGHT]
(it is no sin on them if they discard their (outer) clothing) Ibn Masud said about (outer) clothing,, "The Jilbab or Rida'.'' A similar view was also narrated from IbnAbbas, Ibn Umar, Mujahid, Said bin Jubayr, Abu Ash-Shatha', Ibrahim An-Nakhai, Al-Hasan, Qatadah, Az-Zuhri, Al-Awzai and others.
[RIGHT]غَيْرَ مُتَبَرِّجَـتِ بِزِينَةٍ][/RIGHT]
(in such a way as not to show their adornment.) Sa`id bin Jubayr said, "They should not make a wanton display of themselves by removing their outer garment so that their adornment may be seen.''
[RIGHT]وَأَن يَسْتَعْفِفْنَ خَيْرٌ لَّهُنَّ][/RIGHT]
(But to refrain is better for them.) means, not removing their outer garment, even though that is permissible for them, is better for them.
[RIGHT]وَاللَّهُ سَمِيعٌ عَلِيمٌ][/RIGHT]
(And Allah is All-Hearer, All-Knower.)
As the ayat start off with wal qawa’idoo…Qawa’id is the plural or Qa’id which signifies a woman who has seased to bear children and to have the menstrual discharge or has no husband or an old woman (much advanced in age).
he says that she can present herself bare headed infront of a na-mahram as the ayah says that they can lay aside their outer garments while i say that onl the face can be left unveiled
Allah says:
Such elderly women can present herself bare headed infront of a na-mahram
It is fairly obvious what the verse means. You don’t need Ibn Kathir et el to tell you…
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According to this verse:
Note: I'm only reading the verse and I put no emphasis on my own conduct in this matter with regards to what women should or should not do.
1) All women have the same general requirements for dress ... remember "it is better for them to be modest"
2) However, the repurcussions for not doing so are not there for elderly women
3) Therefore the blame is not there either
4) "Provided they do not make a wanton display" means do not present themselves as though someone may think they are loose or "free game", they may wear less on this condition.
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jazakallah evryone for your kind help:)....
Man, this forum is well above my head. This is heavy duty stuff, how can I understand it? People like Ibne Khatir et al make me dizzy.
But I am still scratching my head in disbeliefs; the moderators removed all my posts and of others from another thread, without giving any valid reason for it.
Am I missing something here? Or is it something I am totally incapable of understanding? What makes me more puzzled is that I tried to answer the question asked by the thread starter. Why answering his question is something which should be deleted. Can a moderator shed some light on it?
I have only been here two days, and I already feel something strange in the air. Something amiss here, which my little brain can not understand, simply just can not understand it.
We live in a free world don’t we? What the hack is wrong of having an honest opinion about something and be straight in what you write?
I have this feeling that Pakistanis have lost it completely. Just a little authority and every Pakistani start feeling he has got the power and authority over the dominion. Please change your thinking, for heaven sake, this is just a board, not a court room, where you are applying the rigid laws. Nor you are some authoritarian rulers, who think every one is their subject. Come in to the 21st century. You have seriously disappointed me.
Don't disappoint me further by deleting this post too. I hope you moderators can take some constructive criticism, without showing heavy handed tactics, thank you in advance for a little understanding.
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People try to read between the lines and nit pick or try to split hair when it comes to religion.
Of all the verses this is one of those which is written so clearly.
"You are not supposed to do something if you are this. But it is better for you to do that."
This was the essence of the message.
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in our society, unfortunately, the thing is reversed....
when youngm the girl goes uncovered... when she is old, she hides herself in the chaadar (if not the burqaa)....
you have spoken the truth my dear brother in islam:(…i just pray that muslim women realise tht the most beautiful sight of her is when she’s in hijab..:hinna:
in our society, unfortunately, the thing is reversed....
when youngm the girl goes uncovered... when she is old, she hides herself in the chaadar (if not the burqaa)....
True.
How about mothers wearing hijab/scarf and daughters with revealing clothes. That is also very common.