Syria continues to kill protesters. Over 6000 have been killed since the uprising began.http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/12/30/us-syria-idUSTRE7BO0B620111230
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These attempts by the government are futile. Syrian people will achieve what they want soon.
It would have been sooner if Americans (Israelis) wanted the change of government. But I guess they are afraid of Islamist parties coming to power. And so they are encouraging the status quo which they know.
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Iraqi shias have power to rule so the syrian sunnis........
it is applicable to all the nations even democratic ones.......when dynasties rules a country why will they think about country...they will first think about saving their own grip on power
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Good thing NATO is getting involved like it did in Libya. Oh wait......
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I am no supporter of Assad his father was a thug who killed hundreds of innocents when they challenged his rule…
But Syria is another Libya story here, what about the Forgien millitia and terrorists attacking Syria? They dont represent the Syrian people either…
Also something is puzzling me the article mentions thousands of deaths but from people on the ground in Syria who many of them live not just in cities but rural areas too confirm that while there have been many riots and several cases of deaths, theres nothing like the massacres reported in the west. Surely thousands of deaths would need thousands of burials and we would be talking mass graves and genocides, clearly thats not happening either.
From the ground things are far more muddled…
The largest massacre on the ground for which there is definate evidence is that which took place at El Idlib and Jabal al-Zawiyah villages. Here around 200 people died in violent clashes however both sides were well armed. This was not a raid by government forces against un-armed civilians such as what happens in Yemen and Bahrain, it was a battle. Both sides used machine guns to literally mow eath other down, with the Syrian army losing over 70 soldiers in the clash.
Now the regime of Assad claims that all the “terrorists” radining his country are “external threats” which is not entirely true as many Syrians have geniune grievances which is why they take to the streets in many cities… however to suggest that a lot of the state violence is targetted at un-armed civilians is also not true as the Syrian army faces well armed troops especially on its northern border with Turkey.
Syria certianly does not have a particularly tough army however its getting a lot of casualties far more than you would normally sustain from protesting civilians. They face serious organised millitants with not just the common AKM and AK47 variants that many homes in the Middle East possess… such as uprisings in Yemen where some tribals took arms against the government in Syria it is more like the Libya situation… with even many Syrians worried about where these well armed thugs have come from.
Some are going as far as to suggest Turkey or the rest of Nato might be involved in deliberate attempts to remove the Syrian regime. Now while Assads regime is not a good one it certainly is not in Nato’s right or anyone elses to remove it… sure the Syrian people have a right to remove this regime but even they have no idea who those supposedly fighting for them really are…
http://presstv.com/detail/217395.html
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/08/23/us-syria-idUSTRE77D0LP20110823
According to the UN findings the death toll stands at 2000 across Syria which seems more correct and many of the deaths included are not just of protestors and anti regime millitants but also of regime troops as well…
Certianly more to the Syria issue than many in the Media lead us to believe… the portrayal is ussually of clear cut black and white… good and evil but clearly we have many more facets to this violence.
One thing is for sure whoever is behind the violence needs to stop it for the sake of the Syrian people.
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6000 over many months is not a huge number that can't be taken care if you spread it out daily. The reason that anyone in the world would be skeptical of the regime is that it was this same setup (son took over from father but not much changed) that killed many many thousands of syrians in Homs back when Hafez was in power. Israel had a clever quip for when it heard about what hafez had done to this opposition at Homs.
PS I can bet you that if NATO had not moved against Libya, this same forum would be buzzing with theories like how qadaffi sold the pakistanis (shipped the nuclear material to the US) and he got away with killing libyans while saddam was taken out by the "evil americans". US / NATO will never be the winner, be it if they interfere or if they don't interfere, and we should also remember that US / NATO doesn't serve at the pleasure of muslims. I think it is high time that muslims wake up and smell the coffee.
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You missed the point entirely.
Unlike Hafez Assads brutal massacres of the Muslim Brotherhood going way back in the 80s this new violence is not as concentrated and nowhere near a genocide as is being incorecctly portrayed in Media.
We should all look at things as they are and not spiral or twist information to suit our political stances. Muslims aside this can happen to any country and more importantly when people are dying the world needs to know the truth about whats going on. This is obviously not as clear cut as its made out to be, there are suggestions that Assad arranged many "Fake/staged" Terrrorist attacks in order to get the backing of his people. We dont know the truth of the matter its highly possible he has taken to his father and is doing whatever cruelty he can to assure he stays in power...
However this is not a geniune fact, it has yet to be determined who's behind the violence sure we get to hear lots from one side of the arguement but like the situation in Libya there are no angels in this arguement. Both sides are utterly wicked, no matter how vile a regime those that follow it can often be much worse.
In Libya and to some extent in Iraq sure the powers that be got rid of the opressive regimes, but then what? We end up with even more violence and the common people suffer even more. That brute Gadafi might have been a savage but were the people who sot him in cold blood any better?
This is where the NATO and especially America are the problem... nobody gave them the International Sherif badge. United Nations is becoming a joke, to many Lathi-Bhens scenarios not just against Muslims but for decades against poor people across the world.
The United Nations and other global bodies are for the better of everyone, not just the few powerfull countries that think they can run the show...
Imperialists cant smell anything obviously, not even the blood of countless innocents on thier hands.
Changing one bad thing for something even worse is not smart, its utter stupidity. Only the ignorant and arrogant do that.
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So I guess we let syria be what it may be.
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Not quite,
Syrians need a democratic election and the other nieghboroughing Arab states should help with this. Whatever the outcome it should be the majority of the Syrian people who come out as winners not some small select group of elitists within the regime or current Political system. Now I dont hold much hope from the nieghbouring Arab states either mind you, Jordan and Saudi Arabia are just as bad as the regime in Syria if not worse.
Thats where the UN as a whole should do something, not just Choudhary America or Nato and co... They are foriegners in the region with no interest apart from resources, sure they might claim to be supporting Democracy but we all know they will end up selecting some spineless lapdog to do thier bidding. We dont need another Saddam Hussien in the region, the Syrian people should be helped but not if it means they have to lose out from one bad regime to another bad regime.
Other countries need to come forward as well, Russia and China need to do thier bit rather than just sit on the fence all the time, the UN should be for everyone.