My Kurd friend whose family escaped Syria some 10 years ago tells me that Kurds who live in Syria are non-Citizen, meaning that they cannot leave the country, they cannot even get an ID card or passport, and cannot even own property. They are persecuted and killed on the whim of the Bathists in Syria. Only the very very fortunate are able to leave the country by paying thousands to smugglers to get out of there.
I wonder if any one has any more details about this going on in an Islamic country? It’s mind boggling that how this injustice can be carried out by some people.
I am so happy that the wind of change has started to blow in the god damn region. The price is pretty hefty to pay, but the future looks promising.
Its not only Syria (a secular state to the core) its the same for most of the countries along the Kurdish areas. In early and mid 80's even countries like Kuwait had the same policy regarding their Kurdish minority. But if you look at the region, this no-nationality and no-citizenship policy is not limited to the Kurdish people only. Since the colonists created all these countries there is big Arab majority who doesn’t have any nationality, normally known as Badon (meaning with out, nationality). There are several Badon tribes, which are located along the Kawait -Saudi- Iraqi-Syrain, and Jordanian borders.
Same goes on in Turkey the blue-eyed boy of the West and present day Iraq. Those practices have yet to be changed. However deal old crazy Iran treats them like humans and a minority and they have no qualms. Odd isn't it?
but we give a damn about Chechniyans (a more recent crap than Kurdish issue). CM are you implying that we are hypocrite? Let's not bring Darfur here for at least 20 more posts.
No no NYA i am not like you and Matsui. After all you open up a thread on Al Jazeera and two weeks later condemn it as a Nazi propoganda machine.
There is a difference between supporting their independence and being an activist on it. I support their right to independence. But there are more pressing issues like the US establishing concentration camps.
Actually no its not and never has been. Any man who kills a muslim if i remember correctly will most certainly end up in hell. But hey don't quote me on that i prefer the playboy channel.
man these protest lovers or peace lovers can never be happy. If people in Pakistan protest for Kurds or the Chechens the same protest lovers will come and ask if Pakistanis are Theykaydar of muslims and Islam.
Sir ji, now lets not blame the poor arabs for all that, only less than 0.00000005% Pakistanis "the so-called secularist" know what Kurds are, the rest of the muslim know **** about Kurds.
Minime Bhaijan, you see who is behind recruiting Jihadis from our country for sending them to Kashmir, Chechnya, Afghanistan, etc., etc.? Doesn’t the money come from Arabs? Why can’t they open a stall in Lahore recruiting Jihadis to send them to liberate Kurds from Zalim dictators of the Middle East? I think there’s a pretty fat chance of that happening.
Sir ji, do you think the Americans will give money for liberating the Egyptians, Saudis or the Kuwaitis from the Al Saud or Al Sabah, no they will never do that. So the same way "rich"Arabs have stalls for other regions and not for kurds.
Now as per stalls in Lahore and exports to ME, I think the chances will only come when the stalls are locally funded.
I have a lot of Kurdish friends...they have been probably the most used and abused ethnic group in the Muslim world..the Ottomans used them against the Armenians ..(there was an almost prophetic saying by the Armenians..to the Kurds.."you will have us for lunch and the Turks will have you for dinner")..The Brits and yanks promised them freedom after World War 1 and abandoned them after Attaturk made his come back..in the 1970's the Israelis and Iranians used them against the Iraqis and abandoned them when the Iraqis compromised over the Shatt al Arab..the Turkish Army launched one of he most brutal secular/Turkic programme against the Kurds while the Euros and Yanks twiddled their thumbs..
The Syrians used them against the Turks..while oppressing the Syrian Kurds at the same time...the Germans and French gave the Iraqis chemical weapons which were used with full knowledge by the US and USSR against the Kurds...the yanks told the Kurds to revolt against Saddam post Gulf War 1..and then didn't back em till it turned into a humanitarian disaster..and now again the Yanks are so focussed on appeasing the Shias that the Kurds are no longer a priority in Iraq..so they may well once again be abandoned..in the name of the realpolitik of empires..
Zakk, that’s nice and dandy. So what is Islamic world doing about it? Forget about the history, lets hear what the Islamic world of today is doing, if anything at all, about it. The question is that Kurds is a lot bigger issue than Palestinians or Kashmir, but Ummah is so quiet about it (at the moment, Darfur issue is even bigger than the Kurdish one). What I am saying here is that when the atrocities are committed by our Muslim brothers, we look towards other side, akin to when two friends are taking a leak together, the one who looks towards the sky has smaller pepe. Ummah has a very small pepe and is not paying attention to anything in its own backyard. It is all Jews fault, Hindu’s fault, and now as you put it History’s fault.