Syria from US ally to violator of human rights!!!

In the war on terror America was happy to send suspects to Syria. Now the US cries torture

In recent weeks, US officials have been falling over one another to denounce the brutality of the Bashar al-Assad regime in Syria. President Obama has accused it of committing “outrageous bloodshed” and called for Assad to stand down; Hillary Clinton has referred to the Syrian leader as a “tyrant”; Elliot Abrams, deputy national security adviser under George W Bush, has called Syria a “vicious enemy”.

I can’t help but wonder what Maher Arar must make of such comments. Arar, a telecommunications engineer born in Syria, moved to Canada as a teenager in 1987 and became a citizen in 1991.

On 26 September 2002, he was arrested at JFK airport in New York, where he had been in transit, on his way home to Canada after a family holiday abroad. Following 13 days of questioning, the US authorities, suspecting Arar of ties to al-Qaida based on flawed Canadian police intelligence, “rendered” him not to Canada, where he lived, but to his native Syria, from where his family had fled 15 years earlier.

For the next 10 months, he was detained without charge in a three-foot by six-foot Syrian prison cell where, according to the findings of an official Canadian commission of inquiry, he was tortured. Arar says he was punched, kicked and whipped with an electrical cable during 18-hour interrogation sessions. He received C$10.5m in compensation from the Canadian government and a formal apology from prime minister Stephen Harper for the country’s role in his ordeal.

A decade on, the question remains: why did the US deport Arar to a “vicious enemy” country run by a “tyrant”? Was it because Canada couldn’t use torture to interrogate Arar, so they decided to send him to Syria, which would? Human- rights groups have long believed the unstated aim of so-called “extraordinary rendition” was to subject terror suspects to aggressive methods of interrogation abroad that are illegal in America.

US officials cannot feign ignorance. They had every reason to believe the Syrians would abuse Arar. Six months earlier, in March 2002, the US state department’s human rights report on Syria had concluded that “continuing serious abuses include the use of torture in detention”. Arar claims his Syrian torturers were supplied with specific questions by the US government; he was asked the exact same questions in Damascus he had been asked in New York.

After his release, in October 2003, both Syria and Canada publicly cleared Arar of any links to terrorism. But the US government – first under Bush, and now under Obama – refuses to discuss the matter, let alone apologise. The Arar case wasn’t a one-off. According to the New Yorker’s Jane Mayer, who has spent much of the past decade investigating what she calls “the dark side” of the war on terror, Syria was one of the “most common” destinations for rendered suspects. Or, in the chilling words of former CIA agent Robert Baer, in 2004: “If you want a serious interrogation, you send a prisoner to Jordan. If you want them to be tortured, you send them to Syria.”

Mohammed Haydar Zammar, a Syrian-born German citizen and alleged al-Qaida recruiter, was arrested in Morocco in October 2001 and rendered by the CIA to Syria, where he was held incommunicado in the notorious Far’Falastin detention centre. **“US officials in Damascus submit written questions to the Syrians, who relay Zammar’s answers back,” reported Time magazine in July 2002. “State department officials like the arrangement because it insulates the US government from any torture the Syrians may be applying to Zammar.”

The evidence is overwhelming: in the months and years after 9/11, the US collaborated closely with Syria, which became an ally in the war on terror and a frequent destination for victims of extraordinary rendition. Syrian torturers worked hand in hand with US interrogators.**

These days, however, US politicians from across the spectrum piously condemn the Syrian regime for its crimes against humanity; two weeks ago, a bipartisan group of senators introduced a resolution condemning Assad for “gross human rights violations” and the use of “torture”. Who says Americans don’t do irony, eh?

And Arar? He’s still on a US no-fly list. Some things, it seems, never change.

Syria has made a curious transition from US ally to violator of human rights | Mehdi Hasan | Comment is free | The Guardian

Some things never change, US was allies with all the tyrants from mubarak in egypt to assad in syria and all those in between. Don’t be fooled by the two face hypocrisy coming from the American administration only now crying human rights after decades of participating in torture and murder of countless people in places like syria. They control the syrian regime this well known to all in the region, the syrians are also the number 1 protectors of the israeli state this is why israelis so quiet on syrian issue they scared to hell of what is coming next!

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It not a shocker on the dual personality of the United States government, they say one thing while doing complete opposite.

they support tyrants even if they slaughter a million people.

Joe Biden says Egypt’s Mubarak no dictator, he shouldn’t step down… - CSMonitor.com

if you remember the egyptian revolt you had obama’s 2nd in command saying hosni mubarak is good man and not a dictator.

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The dual personality and evil of the U.S. is far far less then that of most non-western countries. This includes practicably everyone in Middle East/North Africa/Central Asia.

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prove it?

what the united states has done in its history from assassinations, mass slaughter, invasions, sanctions, nuclear bombing of nations, exploiting 3rd world countries is nothing to be proud of!

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Well if you look at history. Say 50 years ago, what the U.S. did was more or less the normal thing to do. Humanity wasn't as advanced. Even so tactics employed by the U.S. were less brutal then employed by the USSR and far less bloody then those committed by proxy leaders. Now its the same analogy. Does the U.S. do bad things in its dealing with the third world? Yes. Is the alternative worse? Hell yes.

Look at the Arab Spring as an example. I'm not too knowledgeable on the history of Egypt, but while the US supports dictators, in the last few decades, the US has kept them from becoming overly bloody/tyrannical.

Also Syria and US were never really friends. Did they work together yes? But friends. No.

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Just because someone murders someone does not make it right for you to do the same because that is what you arguing for. You saying its ok to slaughter and exploit people because someone else is doing it, silly argument.

The US has kept dictators from becoming over tyrannical and bloody?

so you not seen what happen in iraq/iran war how about slaughter in hama or the massacres in libya not bloody enough for you? while egypt starved mubarak and family amassed a $70 billion fortune.

your last comment is an oxymoron, you said syria worked with the United states but then you say they not friends.

come on wake up don't be so naive you know one belongs to the other.

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Countries work together all the time without being friends. China and US work together on certain matters, they're certainly not friends.

I'm not saying the actions of the US were right back in the day. I'm saying that was the way things went back then. If you look at all situations as a whole (there were exceptions), it was kill or be killed. If the US didn't prop up tyrannical regime, someone else would have stepped in and propped up an Anti-US tyrannical regime that would probably be even worse.

The US did what it did because that was how foreign relations and international affairs worked in the day. Nevertheless what the US did was still above the actions of the USSR.

Also Syria back then was USSR's proxy, as was Libya although I'm not sure what your referring to regarding the latter.

Look. The US tortured less then 1000 non-US citizens people in Gitmo through weird legal maneuvers and extradited a few people to countries that were willing to torture. China, Russia, and Iran, have no real human rights movements and the gross torturing that they do against their own people far outweighs whatever the US does. This is the alternative. What the US does is certainly wrong though, but I would much rather have the US interfering in my country then any of the above 3.

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The US doesn't prop up every dictatorship in Africa and Asia, that is stupid. It's not like aid to Mubarak was keeping him in power, it was the acceptance of the Egyptian people.

Big countries have always exercised undue influence on smaller countries. This was the case through all of recorded history. I repeat, would you rather have China/Russia doing what the US is currently doing? At least the US tries to minimize casualties and tone down the violence of its proxies. That's all I'm arguing.

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There's a very good reason why the people of Libya and now the people of Syria are calling for US intervention to topple their regime. There's a very good reason why they trust the US to assist them. Think on that.

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Syrian opposition groups have not called for US intervention. The non-religious groups have been adamant that they will overthrow the government without foreign support, while the Muslim Brotherhood has been the only opposition group that has demanded foreign military intervention in Syria - and they want that even that only by Arab countries.

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Go watch like every single protest inside Syria. There's always a call for a NATO no fly zone which in today's terms means an air to ground bombardment. You see signs and chants expressing this and everything. They even have Friday's of International Intervention over there (probably not the exact term). The opposition groups against an intervention are the ones co-opted by the regime.

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these comments just prove how dumb many americans are. They live in this bubble called lala land where moslems are the bad guys and Americans are heroes even if these so called heroes sexually abuse and torture and carpet bomb people they can do no wrong. They also imagine everyone begging for them to come to their lands.

newsflash!!! syrian people don't want you they don't want nato they want the arms to fight their own battles nobody wants america in their lands.

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syrian protest no fly zone - YouTube

Don’t be anti-American for the sake of being anti-american rommel.

BTW give me the Syrian opposition groups that don’t want intervention. Meaning the ones that are significant and based inside the country. You might find me some, I want to learn more about them.

Also America did help save along with Europe/Jordan/UAE/Qatar Libya from Qaddafi’s military forces. There were also protests in the streets of Benghazi calling for foreign intervention right before the actual planes arrived. Also people waved American flags along with French and British and Qatari during the victory celebrations in Libya. These are facts. Regardless of America’s past actions, it is hard to deny that the US didn’t help save the day on Libya.

Some more stuff from Syria.

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I can find you the links if your interested, but numerous reporters who have gone undercover in Syria reported that everyone, particularly, in Homs is begging for a no fly zone and international intervention.

I’ve been following this conflict quite closely so I kind of know what I’m talking about.

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So what you are saying is that you would rather be tortured n Gitmo rather than a gulag?

maybe you should be sent to one, just to test your dumb theory out.

Back to the thread, the west and saudi are also funding, arming and training the salafi rebels, who are talking about democracy, when they're women are not allowed to drive. LOL. Its a tragic sitcom to be honest. If it wasn't for the innocent people dying, it would be hilarious. I mean what can be more funny than seeing countries like saudi, qatar, and bahrain being friends of democracy in syria, and sponsoring UN resolutions for Assad to 'listen to his people'?

The irony is too much.

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Now now ma moo000oli, no need to descend into personal insults when you can't counter my points. :D

BTW of course I'd rather go to Gitmo then a gulag. In the latter, I'm very likely to come out dead.

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come on now, you know you want to prove the US is kinder than others during torture.

Honest to God, I couldn't counter such wisdom, if i tried.

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The US in not kinder to others **during **torture.

I never said that.

Your putting words in my mouth there.

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Like i said before get out of the bubble you live in and look at reality of syrians on the ground!

Tens of thousands give inspiring pledge to Allah in Homs, Syria [Dec 2011] - MUST SEE! - YouTube

syrians living in syria don’t want america, france or any other colonials snakes anywhere near them. So what am i anti british anti french and anti italian now also???

i could’nt care less what american citizens do i only have issue with the terrorist US government and its military abuse and how they exploit nations around the world.

but according to you its a nice exploitation and nice torture!!!

Libya oh my god you supported that tyrant ghaddafi for 40 years and now you want congratulations for libyans fighting for their lives and how mainly the british come in to steal and take over industry there!

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The protest you linked was in late December, Homs. This is before daily rockets started landing in the city at a rate of several a minute. This is before tanks starting coming in and blasting at everything in sight. This is before people started going hungry because no food is able to be smuggled in. What about all my links and videos? All your going to do is deny deny deny.

"syrians living in syria don't want america, france or any other colonials snakes anywhere near them. So what am i anti british anti french and anti italian now also???

i could'nt care less what american citizens do i only have issue with the terrorist US government and its military abuse and how they exploit nations around the world.

but according to you its a nice exploitation and nice torture!!!"

Your not anti western Europe, it seems your merely anti-intellectual.

BTW Qaddafi was a Soviet ally not an American one. America hated his ass. He blew a jet liner out of the sky, supported terrorists around the world, bombed a disco in Berlin, for which America intervened and bombed his country in 1986.

"but according to you its a nice exploitation and nice torture!!!"

No it isn't. But would you rather have China/Russia intervening in the Middle East instead of America?

Again I just proved to you the Syrians want NATO intervention. How do you argue against the 100s of videos linked? I can get you a ton of news articles too.

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Yet again you show typical american ignorance the killings and slaughter in syria began in december 2011 not february 2012

Inside Syria: lightly armed townsfolk take on tanks as army closes in | World news | The Guardian

look at date of newslink 9th december 2011 syrians tanks going in what you got to say now fell of your chair yet?

You cannot even get your basic facts straight look in the mirror next time you mention anti intellectual.

who in the region would want crusader americans interfering anywhere in muslim world and i am sure the non muslim south american nations and african nations feel same way.

Russia can’t do nothing doesn’t have capability to interfere and neither does china, only thing china can offer is economic development if the nations not getting ripped off like they do with the greedy yanks let them go for it.

Docs show CIA-Libyan-spies close ties

So US hated ghaddfi did they laughable? read newlink, you should stop eating 50 bags of popcorn while watching your brainwash TV news cnn, fox news, abc news because they feeding you 24hr crap!

do yourself a favor research the topic get the reality from people on the ground because currently you making yourself look foolish on this subject.