If you listen to the Arab leaders, all are beating the drum of Arab nationalism. All are far away from Islam. Even when Saddam was in his last days, he kept on saying "Ya Ummat al-Arab" i.e. O Arab nation. We were making protests because of our true ISlamic belief that Muslims are one Ummah.
The Arabs have a real problem with this. I think they will get beaten (sadly) for their unISlamic beliefs. Through a very carefully planned policy, Arabs have been taught Arab nationalism. So let them be as they are. When are they going to realize that strength is only in unity of Muslims.
Even if we look at it logically it is Pakistan which is the strongest militarily in the Muslim world. Instead of winning our support they are ........... May Allah show them the right path!
On top of that, could somebody explain what the phrase: "Arabs & Muslims" means. Does that mean that Arabs are just Arabs and not Muslim?
Let it be Syria's turn. (but i worry for our brother Muslims there).
Thats the best news heard so far. It shows that maybe the over enthusiastic war lovings hawks finally learnt something from the war in iraq. I hope the effect doesnt wear off too soon.
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I for one would be outraged at the very idea.
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Its good to know that. :) I also hope you won't fall for Mr Bush's WMD claptrap again, should anyother country be accused of that in the (near) future.
The drums start beating again, so soon? Syria is being warned just like Iraq was “Its upto Iraq to prove it does not have WMDs” and now “Its upto Syria to prove its not rogue state”.
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If he sends the marines to Syria ...... pushing his luck, I think. Not to mention corroding the trust of the American people. I for one would be outraged at the very idea.
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I don't think so, most Americans will again feel "anti-American", "un-patriot" if they oppose the war. Anyway, Bush will be able to convince his support as he was in Iraq/Afghanistan's case... now watch out for character assasination of Syria in next few days.
It really depends, if Syria do not have any WMD then it most likely is the next candidate. As Brian Cloughley put it very nicely:-
Six years ago I wrote an analysis for the International Defense Review, 'Korean Flashpoint Waits to be Ignited.' It is still waiting ignition, and North Korea has done what it can to increase tension. It has withdrawn from the NPT and ejected IAEA inspectors; it possesses at least two nuclear warheads (there may be more); it has in service (as distinct from being under development), proven delivery systems, and has testfired other missiles. It has reactivated facilities capable of manufacturing nuclear weapons (if, indeed, it ever effectively deactivated them); and has stated that further sanctions would constitute "an act of war". In riposte, Bush, ever anxious to use language of confrontation, said he would prevent North Korea from building a nuclear arsenal. He declared that if US efforts "don't work diplomatically, they'll have to work militarily", which was a another blunt threat of war from the US Prersident. There is little wonder North Korea considers it is likely to be attacked.
It need not fear, because Bush will not attack it. Certainly, as I wrote in the Review, it "is poorly-equipped and operates out-of-date combat systems ..." But in spite of Bush's bluster and threats he will not dare wage war on North Korea, which Washington says is a major supporter of terrorism. US presidential elections are 20 months away, and the pro-Bush Iraq-effect will have worn off by then, with Americans wondering what it was all about as their economy falters in the aftermath of their President's war. ** There is also the unpleasant fact that, unlike Iraq, North Korea actually possesses nuclear, chemical and biological weapons and would use them against an invader. Bush will not dare attack North Korea, for it can defend itself, as can Iran. He attacks only the weak, such as puny Iraq. So Syria is looking good for the Bush re-election campaign. **
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Moral of the story:
If you really have WMD you are safe from US!
If Bush leads the U.S. into a war with Syria tomorrow... he should be impeached. He sold his story to the American Public about Iraq...and there was truth to it.
If he sends the marines to Syria ...... pushing his luck, I think. Not to mention corroding the trust of the American people. I for one would be outraged at the very idea.
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I wonder how many unjust wars will make US people to realise that the govt is lying to them. wake up Americans!
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Oh, so you think Jay Garner is a true Muslim is he?
How do you work that one out?
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I never said he was. I was responding to someone else's post: *"Getting rid of these kaffar puppets of the west rulers and replacing them with true Muslims, this might be a blessing from God."
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I don't think so, most Americans will again feel "anti-American", "un-patriot" if they oppose the war. Anyway, Bush will be able to convince his support as he was in Iraq/Afghanistan's case... now watch out for character assasination of Syria in next few days.
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Someone needs to have a good character before someone else can assassinate it. Syria has long been on the US list of terrorist supporting or sponsoring countries.
That said, Syria already waived an olive branch toward the US about a month ago when it began partial withdrawal of its occupying force from Lebanon. It could further enhance its image by denying refuge to Saddam's cronies who fled Iraq like rats from a sinking ship. If Saddam did move some WMD to border areas in Syria, Syria will score more points by turning them over to the US.
I'm quite sure that Jordan will be forgiven for supplying Saddam with weapons once it "investigates" how it happened and "punishes" those who violated Jordanian law by supplying them. Jordan will play the game quite well. I hope Syria does too.
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Jordan will play the game quite well. I hope Syria does too.
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Unfortunately this is not a game anymore. Atleast not for those who have to die. I don't think anything Syria will do will be enough.
Now that Americans have tasted blood, it all sounds so easy for them. They don't even need to get anyone to agree with them. The most powerful military machine in the history of mankind has proven that that they can take a country the size of Iraq, in only a matter of three weeks with minimal loss of their own soldiers. Syria or Jordan will be even easier. Once you get into this mind-set, you are really not interested in accepting or rejecting the excuses put forward by Syrians or Jordanians. You play them along, till your miliatary is ready for the next "project" and then you invade and take over.
I think, the only countries who have a half-chance of not being gobled up by US, in the long run, are those who have developed, have protected and are willing to use their weapons of mass destruction. Thats the lesson of Iraq. Like it or not.
When Donald Duck crooned in his Pentagon press briefing that "US is not interested in other people's real estate and their wealth", he might have made some people laugh, had it not been such a bare-faced lie.
Fret.. If you ask an American die-hard, he’ll tell u that US is doing it as a goodwill gesture and out of the goodness of her heart. It helps protects Germany, Korea and Japan from “invaders” and all those ungrateful lots are hardly supportive of American causes.
I don't know why Germany, Saudia Arabia, Kuwait have so many bases.. hmmmmmm.... lets see, they have been very good friend.... yeah.
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Hmm. We had no bases in Kuwait until after kicking out an occupying army that conquered it. Our bases are there at the pleading and invitation of the government of Kuwait.
We had no bases in Saudi Arabia until asked to build them to protect them against the threat of occupation by another Arab country.
I don't think anyone in Germany thinks of Germany as being occupied by the US despite our bases there. If we are occupying Germany and their government is a puppet, their UN stance against us is quite puzzling don't you think.
Try again Changez. Perhaps .... Japan. That's it!!! That's the ticket!!!
Yeah, lets see if German is free enough to fight US army in any battlefield (may it not come to that). You think if due to some reason Japan or other nations have to fight US, the US bases will just watch that nation attack US??? cool, freedom it is.
The straws you are grasping have to be the shortest straws I have ever seen. If you need to rely upon a hypothetical of the US going to war with Germany or Japan to make your point, perhaps it is a point not worth making.
cool, freedom it is.