Re: Swat attacks are revenge by Lal Masjid students for military operation: Maulana A
Pakistani Air Force should have bombed the Lal Masjid to the ground
We wasted our brave soldiers lives by sending them in there....where 11 of them died
Re: Swat attacks are revenge by Lal Masjid students for military operation: Maulana A
^^ Is it the same Air Foce which travels the world begging for spare parts and other electronics?
is this your best shot against PAF? As if Taliban produce RPGs, anti-aircraft/tank ammunition on their own 
Re: Swat attacks are revenge by Lal Masjid students for military operation: Maulana A
Where is this Burqa Posh now?
Spock you are funny
but knowing Shortcut that is quite plausible
I remember those days and nights very well as I was in Pakistan at that time. In fact, I was in the same area in islamabad right before the siege started and saw the later development in Karachi before I flew back. As Musharraf had done countless mistakes while trying to run the country from his drawingroom without understanding how things work or should work as he wanted himself to be the puppet master while treating everyone else as the puppet. This one was his another blunder which caused heavy damage to the country but again, noone cared. The tail line of the whole operation Lal Mosque was that, in the end of whole dialogues between those hiding inside the mosque and the Govt, even after the Moulana Aziz was captured and many days had passed after the siege, his brother Abdul Rashid Ghazi was ready to give up everything, and by everything , I really mean EVERYTHING on the cost that no operation is done. He was really put to wall and Govt had achieved all its objectives. At that time there was absolutely no need of any operation as it could only make the matter worse not better. But that stupid Musharraf had only one thing in his mind that he has got all the force and he should use it no matter what. There were some efforts from Chaudhary brothers and the PM Shokat Aziz but Musharraf was really not ready to hear anything, as he never did in other circumstances as well. The operation was done, Molana Abdul Rashid Ghazi and so many other people got dead and I've no doubt that there were many women and children among them. That followed up with a series of suicide bombings and attacks on police and other security agencies. And that were the aftereffects of Lal Mosque operation. However, I'm not ready to buy that Swat/Buneer has anything to do with Lal Masjid. Its a whole different story.
If Ghazi wanted no operation, he could have come out with his hands in the air. That was his only option.
Re: Swat attacks are revenge by Lal Masjid students for military operation: Maulana A
^ saying that will not cover the slack operation. in every country problems surface rather than killing people right left and centre, a 'responsible' govt would try to opt for a strategy of least damage. so if maulana is culprit here then musharraf and his regimes are about much more serious trouble than him.
Re: Swat attacks are revenge by Lal Masjid students for military operation: Maulana A
musharraf and his regime is history now, so whatever they did was then, you cant go and redo stuff, drag them to court, charge em whatever but that does not change anything that is happening today.
you can only adjust course now.
Maulana aziz and company btw are not history, they are here today so they need to eb tackled.
its laughable to think that the students were not extremists, their actions in islamabad, the resistance against SSG was proof enough, and he really quick retaliatory suicide bombing proved that these guys were not as seedhay saadhay as maulana would say
One could always disagree with the timing of the operation and the amount of force used in the end but I believe the operation was necessary to let these nutjobs the so-called students and radical elements else-where in the country know that they would not be allowed to impose their backward views on the civil society. The writ of the government had to be established here.
A mosque is not the place to keep arms and brainwash people. Mullahs should be preaching tolerance and peaceful Islam and not brainwashing young minds in the name of teaching Islam. Sadly that seems beyond most of them
Cutting off power, water and food supplies seems like a good idea but only in theory. The media would have circulated images of women and children falling sick or dying as a result of hunger, thirst, extreme heat, lack of hygiene etc. and people would have then shouted cruelty, karbela, karbela etc.
And military operation or no operation I believe some of these extremist nutcases would have still gone on to commit suicide bombings because of resentment at their failure to force the government to implement their narrow-minded version of sharia. This farce had to end. Perhaps we would not have seen so many suicide attacks but I disagree that there would have been no violence if we had dealt with this fiasco non-militarily.
It was a no-win situation for the government. The government should have dealt with this fiasco with an iron hand straightaway and not waited 6months and we won't have seen so many casualties
Perhaps the fundamental Q to ask is how these nutjobs got access to so many weapons in the end?
I was going to say the same thing to all these brainwashed souls here. Fact of the matter is, that if the media didn't overplay it the way they did and did not give a state TRAITOR like burqa azis and his brother to even TALK to the pakistani people (something that normally would have fallen under censor rules in other countries) - you would not be feeling sorry for these Lal Masjid goons.
They were given ample time to leave the masjid. They were told exactly what was going to happen. Prior to the government's action, the Ghazi brothers and their ninja naqabi sisters carried out unacceptably crimes in Islamabad, the same kinds of crimes are now occurring in Swat.
Until and unless you guys, you Pakistanis, we all in fact, put our foot down and demand that this bull in the name of Islam ends, guys like these Ghazi goons and the Taliban and Al Qaeda will keep praying on your emotions. They are masterminds at propaganda, having been in CIA, ISI services before. And you're falling for it?
musharraf and his regime is history now, so whatever they did was then, you cant go and redo stuff, drag them to court, charge em whatever but that does not change anything that is happening today.
Oh yes, the pig Mush roams free, no problems if he crapped Pakistan out for a decade; we need to make examples out of people who destroy the country.
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its laughable to think that the students were not extremists, their actions in islamabad, the resistance against SSG was proof enough, and he really quick retaliatory suicide bombing proved that these guys were not as seedhay saadhay as maulana would say
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Students were extremists? some of us who have lived there for ages, pretty much been there for every jummah know better. Just go there and talk to the residents and see for yourself what they think about lal masjid, and what they think about musharraf. Retaliatory suicide bombing, duh, one goes and bomb someones mother and sister, they'll go ballistic and do anything it takes to hurt them back.
This was a stupid operation, and the only thing this proves was one stupid general's senility and incompetence as a soldier, if anything. I think he was drunk when he gave those orders.
Students were extremists?
I bet you will also be shocked to learn from where the taliban originated from. Hint: the meaning of the word taliban comes from ______?
musharraf and his regime is history now, so whatever they did was then, you cant go and redo stuff, drag them to court, charge em whatever but that does not change anything that is happening today.
you can only adjust course now.
Maulana aziz and company btw are not history, they are here today so they need to eb tackled.
its laughable to think that the students were not extremists, their actions in islamabad, the resistance against SSG was proof enough, and he really quick retaliatory suicide bombing proved that these guys were not as seedhay saadhay as maulana would say
maulana is as much history as musharraf is. He is not running the tahreek in swat is he? he was in jail. so if bygones are to be bygones this shoud be the end of matter for him as well.
it is laughable to think that our govt is right now doing as much to secure the position (probably as much as our govt was doing in lal masjid scenario). Talibans are carrying out all these acts under the banner of demanding shariat,( by the way same desire was also legally and democratically expressed by these regions earlier on). you want to do damage control and save the day, establish what they want, you cannot deny it as a muslim coutnry anyway. collaborate with your own mehqma awfaq and your muft e azam to deal with the issue. if taliban still stone wall you atleast you will have the ulemas vote per your side to stop further rechargin of the issue how many of these steps has there recent gov taken? if nothing , these action will allow for trasparency that might gain the govt some credibility.
I bet you will also be shocked to learn from where the taliban originated from. Hint: the meaning of the word taliban comes from ______?
hey as per you the sharia is barbaric so the original taliban would be savages in your book in any case.
hey as per you the sharia is barbaric so the original taliban would be savages in your book in any case.
Taliban actions show their barbarity, I don't have to say it for it to be true.
Re: Swat attacks are revenge by Lal Masjid students for military operation: Maulana A
depends what phase of talibans you are talking about. the ones who fought agianst russians were anything but. barbarity is not unique to any one cult or group anyone who resorts to inhumane measures is a barbarian. the number of civilians killed in taliban hunt far out number casualities by talibani attacks.
Re: Swat attacks are revenge by Lal Masjid students for military operation: Maulana A
This is an interesting video about LaL Masjid:
depends what phase of talibans you are talking about. the ones who fought agianst russians were anything but. barbarity is not unique to any one cult or group anyone who resorts to inhumane measures is a barbarian. the number of civilians killed in taliban hunt far out number casualities by talibani attacks.
The soviet era jihadis were no angels either (soviets weren't either). You are getting bogged down in details. The main point is that the taliban are trying to push their version of shariah onto pakistan by force and this is unacceptable.
Typical propaganda with a chipmunk voice this time.
The soviet era jihadis were no angels either (soviets weren't either). You are getting bogged down in details. The main point is that the taliban are trying to push their version of shariah onto pakistan by force and this is unacceptable.
detail creates a bigger picture. you cannot advocate a military operation while neglecting details. anyhow i doubt pakistani army is an angel in current situation. the main point is that we donot afford a military action agaisnt our own civilians, we need to call it truce. we havent made our best efforts so far to achieve that. it appears to me any nation would think 100 times before employing it own army against its own people. if taliban are carrying out whatever proceduress to achieve an islamic system (in areas that democratically previously elected for an islamic representatives) then the best solution to knock the wind out of their propoganda is to employ your ulemas to collaborate with them and devise a compromise system. offers you the credibility with religious community else where, showcases you best efforts and might just bring you peace. whats the harm?
detail creates a bigger picture. you cannot advocate a military operation while neglecting details. anyhow i doubt pakistani army is an angel in current situation. the main point is that we donot afford a military action agaisnt our own civilians, we need to call it truce. we havent made our best efforts so far to achieve that. it appears to me any nation would think 100 times before employing it own army against its own people. if taliban are carrying out whatever proceduress to achieve an islamic system (in areas that democratically previously elected for an islamic representatives) then the best solution to knock the wind out of their propoganda is to employ your ulemas to collaborate with them and devise a compromise system. offers you the credibility with religious community else where, showcases you best efforts and might just bring you peace. whats the harm?
Who do yo want to call it truce with? The taliban have already rejected any truce until they are given complete control of the region and even then they will expand to other regions. The problem is that you're looking at this as a conflict between two relatively sane groups, but in fact taliban are not sane - to them any truce is a sign of victory and only validates their stance that they can take over paksitan through force. Even if the exact type of shariah where they have complete control to appoint qazis and administer the region is implemented in malakand, the taliban will still not lay down their arms and will push beyond malakand division. This is their STATED GOAL, not something I am making up. A truce with them is the same thing as a surrender.