Re: Lotay Wanted
Sa1eem bhai... masla sirf yeh hai key politician jitna bhi kamina ho, MQM sey LOTA ho nahee sakta.... jaan sab ko piyari hoti hai. ;)
btw, you consider bhatta as 'honest money', right?
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So now we have one example, maybe you will produce one or two more, pretty scant in over 60 years history. Compare that with people who have joined PTI.
EB, this has always been a problem with PML-N... anyone joining them is a true and honorable leader, but anyone joining some other party is a Lota.
Take the example of PML-Q members (true Lotas) who are supporting PML-N in PA against their party decisions. Hanibal will never ever call them a Lota.
I personally completely agree with you, that if someone is elected on one party's ticket but then resigns from his seat and joins another party, we should respect his/her decision. After all, he is presenting himself before people to elect him again, and if people do that, who are we to judge them?
And this is also true for someone who leaves PTI. Everyone has a right to select his party and change it if he has differences with that party.
Otherwise we might as well live in a dictatorship where things like "Altaf ka jo Ghad-dar hay, wo mout ka hakdaar hay" (In other words, if you join one party only with your death you can leave it) become a norm.
That sort of "democracy" is uncalled for.
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If true, this is worrying.
People like Liaqut Jatoi and Arbab Ghulam Rahim are cruel and more corrupt than Zardari.
If IK let’s them join, it would say a lot about his future plans.
http://www.thenews.com.pk/TodaysPrin…&dt=12/26/2011
Who will join PTI in Sindh?
With the PTI’s momentous rally at the Quaid’s mausoleum in the city on Sunday, Sindh’s political landscape is likely to undergo significant changes within the next 15 days, as political loyalties are going to alter at an alarming rate.
Some influential political leaders of the province are likely to join the fast-growing Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaaf in the next few weeks. Liaquat Jatoi from Dadu may join the party by January 15 while Pakistan Muslim League-Quaid’s (PML-Q) Arbab Ghulam Rahim would jump on the PTI bandwagon during Imran Khan’s rally in Thar in January, sources told The News.
The sources said that the change of political loyalties would see its climax on February 15.
Due to Imran Khan’s growing popularity and the rumours of an impending coup, influential political families have sensed a change of political set-up in the country by March. Many of them are convinced that Khan is set to become the next prime minister of the country due to the support he enjoys from the mighty establishment.
However, despite Khan’s growing popularity in Punjab and some urban centres he is he almost unknown in Sindh’s rural areas. Therefore, Qureshi’s political connections would be exploited to turn the winds in PTI’s favour in interior Sindh.
Qureshi has been tasked to engage in talks with all those PPP, PML-Q and PML-N leaders who have significant votes in their interior Sindh constituencies. The former foreign minister and PPP deserter is also in contact with certain nationalist groups.
Qureshi would start his tour of interior Sindh in the first week of January. He has already held meetings with leaders of four “like-minded groups”. One of the groups is headed by Liaquat Jatoi, the second by Arbab Ghulam Rahim, the third by Ali Gohar Mahar and the fourth by Maqbool Sheikh. All these leaders are deserters of Q-League.
Three important PPP leaders, including two sitting MPAs, would join the PTI after the government dissolved, a source added. The source who attended Qureshi’s meeting with the “like-minded” groups claimed the PPP-led government’s days are numbered.
However, the PPP has formed its own task force, led by Local Government Minister Agha Siraj Durran and Food Minister Nadir Magsi, to negotiate with the leaders of the like-minded group, including Ali Gohar Mahar, Liaquat Jatoi and Altaf Unnar, to bring them into PPP’s fold before the PTI wins their loyalty.
During an informal chat with journalists at his residence, a former PML-N leader admitted off-the-record that he was coming closer to Qureshi.
“Qureshi has given us an indication of political change in the country,” said one source familiar with Qureshi’s meeting with a key politician of Sindh. The source named certain political families who had given a “positive response” to the PTI. They would join the emerging party during its rallies in their respective areas.
The source said that influential leaders of Naushehro Feroz, Dadu, Thar, Larkana and Kashmore had given ‘positive response’ to Qureshi in their initial talks.
Meanwhile, three influential political families — Mahars, Jatois and Unars — held a meeting in Karachi some five days ago to chalk out a future course of action in view of the rapidly changing political scenario. One former minister and now a PPP leader is also in contact with this group, the source said.
On the other hand, four friends and former PML-Q leaders — Maqbool Sheikh, Mir Manzoor Panhwar, Saleem Jan Mazari and Murad Ali Shah — have formed their own group and are likely to join the PTI soon, the source said.
A source quoting the former foreign minister said that the PTI had almost completed its task in Punjab and now they would focus Sindh.
Concerned over these developments, the source said that President Asif Ali Zardari was making contacts with Mahars, Jatois and Unars to persuade them to join the PPP or make an alliance. However, chances are grim that they may join the ruling party because of the government’s weak position, as turncoats are convinced that the establishment is done with the PPP for the time being.
During his talks with the PPP’s task force, Liaquat Jatoi linked his joining the ruling party only if his relative, Mohammed Shah, was given a seat in the next elections from Dadu.
However, the source said that PPP’s Senior Minister for Education Pir Mazharul Haq was against any such move.
President Zardari himself met Ali Gohar Mahar recently and asked him to join his party. But Mahar reportedly told the president he had to consult his “like-minded friends” before taking a decision. Similarly, the source said Altaf Unar was expected to meet the president on December 28 in Larkana.
One source said majority of turncoats were adopting a wait-and-see policy which would continue till February 15 when situation would become clearer about the PPP’s prospects of completing its tenure.
One nationalist leader revealed that Qureshi would start his Sindh tour by visiting the residence of Syed Jalal Mahmood Shah, chief of the Sindh United Party (SUP) and grandson of late G M Syed. According to him, the nationalist group would not merge with the PTI but form an alliance with it.
The sources claimed a shift was being witnessed in the politics of Jalal Shah. On Dec 23, he told a jalsa in Hyderabad: “Pakistan was created by our elders and it is our responsibility to protect it at every level.”
His grandfather, GM Syed, had abandoned electoral politics, but his successor seems to be changing the course of his politics.
Recently, a group of former politicians, intellectuals and journalists has been formed in Sindh who call themselves reformists. This group has given a call to hold a huge gathering at Bhit Shah on January 22. A source said that they may form their own party or join an existing party.
Re: Lotay Wanted
Sa1eem bhai... masla sirf yeh hai key politician jitna bhi kamina ho, MQM sey LOTA ho nahee sakta.... jaan sab ko piyari hoti hai. ;)
btw, you consider bhatta as 'honest money', right?
Regardless of Bhatta allegation is true or propaganda ... If people do not give donations willingly than I consider affordable and sustainable bhatta from people is better option than politicians doing corruption, taking loan and getting it written off, taking commissions, making money by getting plot allotted, using state money in developing their own area, occupying government lands and buildings for personal benefits, or using government funds for personal benefits, etc.
Reason ... bhatta or donations go to party who use that money to get elected ... whereas corruption and plundering is personal benefit of politicians who use it to better their own life, to get rich, to exploit and deprive poor of their area, and make their own future secure (transferring national wealth to themselves and many even transferring part of such illegally obtained money abroad). For instance:
Doing corruption benefits only those politicians who do corruption and harm the country and poor of country. Party of these politicians are always poor and depend on these thugs. Actually their parties (PPP or PMLN) are vehicle of these corrupt politicians to fool and exploit people when parties should be using politicians to serve and benefit people.
Taking loan and getting it written off benefits only those politicians who did this plundering and harmed country and poor of country.
Taking commissions benefits only those politicians who took commissions and harmed country and poor of country.
Getting plot allotted benefits only those politicians who got plot and harmed country and poor of country.
Using national wealth to develop their own areas benefits only those politicians who deprives funds from deserving areas and harm poor of country.
Occupying government lands and buildings for personal use benefits only those politicians who occupies those lands but deprives resources from poor of country for whom those lands and buildings should be used.
Using public funds for personal benefits only those politicians who deprive funds from deserving development and thus harm country and poor of country.
Etc ...
Re: Lotay Wanted
What a CHANGE is coming in our country!!
Imran is a new kid on the Establishment block. He will need support of members who are simply political agents of Establishment like 14 ex ministers.
Are PTI supporters really that naive that they cannot understand the game of Establishment and the way it is using IK, is it possible in current strong army control that Ek chidiya ka bacha bhi Chair tak pohanch jaye? Its not a tsunami he calling its a dirty waves of dirty water comming to hit back again nation.
There is no doubt that PTI is not ideal solution (relying on electable thugs), but they are lesser evil compared to alternative devils (PPP and PMLN).
When it comes to prosperity and survival of Pakistan, establishment has more at stake than corrupt politicians of PPP and PML (N or Q). Jobs and future pension of people in establishment are linked with Pakistan. So, even though many in establishment are crooks, still there are many who try to work for betterment of Pakistan.
On the other hand, Pakistani thugs in politics get into government to make their own future safe regardless of Pakistani future. So, when they come into power, they suck Pakistan as much as possible and transfer wealth abroad for their own future.
So, if I have no option other than between un-controlled thug politicians of ‘PPP and PMLN’ working to loot and plunder Pakistan for own benefits ... and establishment controlled thug politicians working under certain establishment restraints, I would prefer establishment controlled thug politicians.
Re: Lotay Wanted
... If people do not give donations willingly than I consider affordable and sustainable bhatta from people is better option than politicians doing corruption, taking loan and getting it written off, taking commissions, making money by getting plot allotted, using state money in developing their own area, occupying government lands and buildings for personal benefits, or using government funds for personal benefits, etc.
Reason ... ...
Wah Masha Allah, kya soch hay!
"Forceful Bhatta, which if refused by a businessman might leave to his death, kidnapping of his children, burning of his business and so on ... is a better option."
What else is acceptable sir? Would you enlighten us?
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Wah Masha Allah, kya soch hay!
"Forceful Bhatta, which if refused by a businessman might leave to his death, kidnapping of his children, burning of his business and so on ... is a better option."
What else is acceptable sir? Would you enlighten us?
Sonch apni apni. :) ... May na kab kaha kay aap corruption ko 'donation aur bhattay' say bahtar na samjhain?
Waisay aap batayain kay:
If people in country do not give donations to parties then where should party get funds to even contest elections?
Should parties rely on rich electable spending their own money on election and once elected they do every corruption possible to recover their spent money with interest (as long as these electable keep their party head into power who also do corruption)?
[Please be kind enough to answer ... thanks].
Re: Lotay Wanted
Sa1eem bhai... are you saying someone who gets elected using bhatta will not be corrupt? Nice!
derailing the thread though...
Back to LOTAs.... my only observation is that people do not normally go lota from MQM cuz they would like to live for a few more years, that's it.
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I realy dont care much what Est.doing what I care that IK denying it and I cant digest his claim that he is alone strong enough to reach the chair without any HELP. So he is lying i guess.
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Sa1eem bhai... are you saying someone who gets elected using bhatta will not be corrupt? Nice!
derailing the thread though...
Back to LOTAs.... my only observation is that people do not normally go lota from MQM cuz they would like to live for a few more years, that's it.
I am not saying that one who gets elected using bhatta will not be corrupt (if I had you can show me).
I am saying that party (mark my word ... party) who make candidates contest election using their own money (by whatever means they got that money) controls the candidates and do not rely on candidates for winning election or candidates personal votes. So, such candidates could not do corruption as they would be thrown out of party and politics by their party. For such candidates, they do not provide party anything other than their service of serving party voters. If such candidate get into corruption and nepotism, their party would not hesitate to throw them out of party and punish them too (as they malign party reputation).
On the other hand, parties (again mark my word ... parties) who rely on candidates funding their election and attracting voters due to their own work, standing and funding do not and cannot control such (electable) candidates or their corruptions. Rather, their candidates have to do corruption and nepotism as it is their need because they have to recover their election costs plus requirements of making themselves more rich and influential for future. For such candidates, party do not provide them anything but it is they who use parties as their vehicle for exploiting poor in their area, getting powerful and mega rich.
As for people leaving MQM to join other parties, if anyone amongst those who became known due to MQM would do that, I believe they would become irrelevant in politics. As for anyone becoming LOTA (leave party to join other party when in assembly on MQM ticket), you may be right that apart of losing their political significance they may have to pay heavily with their life too (as they cheated party who got them elected using party money and vote)
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I realy dont care much what Est.doing what I care that IK denying it and I cant digest his claim that he is alone strong enough to reach the chair without any HELP. So he is lying i guess.
Brother, I think Imran khan must be having shock of his life too. He must have realised that Pakistani constituencies he intend to win do not care about honesty, prosperity, development, justice, or hard work ... rather they love their bradari, tribal leaders, religious leaders, provinces, and established electable elites. He may have also realised that lies or truth is secondary things when these zombie voters are concerned.
It is possible that establishment may have told Imran that if he wants any change in Pakistan he has to follow realities of Pakistani politics that may bring few percent less corruption and would keep the system intact, or else Pakistan is heading for revolution that would leave nothing for elites (including Imran). On the other hand, alternative for Imran would be to get lost in history as lone ranger politician. Imran do not have time and he want to make some impact on Pakistani poltics, so here he is.
In my opinion, for those who have no honest alternative in their constituencies, they should accept lesser evil of PTI then fall into lap of mega corrupts devils like PPP and PMLN.
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Brother, In my opinion, for those who have no honest alternative in their constituencies, they should accept lesser evil of PTI then fall into lap of mega corrupts devils like PPP and PMLN.
Everyone will believe in the simplicity of this logic, except those who are stubbornly preoccupied with cult of tested parties. What people fail to understand is that we don't have options.
Those of you who believe that Imran will be a failure, just give him a chance and let him vindicate you. It's that simple!
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Amal you cant counted everyone with same calculations i do not support any kind of poltical party in pakistan and I either dont believe on the methd to chose lesser harmfull, I still have another option to do not vote to anyone. atleast I again repeat it that IK appearness in poltical was a good news for me in start but he did and still doing great mistakes. Inqilab in loton ke sath mil ke nahi a sakta PERIOD. so he better stop lying to the nation.
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...I either dont believe on the methd to chose lesser harmfull...
If you have to choose for yourself from cancer and fever, which one you will go for? Both are diseases, but both are not lethal.
...I still have another option to do not vote to anyone...
This is not an option, this is escape from the responsibility you owe to your country. Will you run away if your own home is in danger or will you try your best to save it?
If one sensible vote is not cast, it allows one insensible vote to succeed. You are allowing a danger to enter your home. Stopping it isn't an option, it's an obligation!
Re: Lotay Wanted
Thew whole word Lota does not apply here, Lotas as has been used in our political life has been where people switched parties for minister ship or joining the ruling party. Nothing of the sort here plus have you noticed that all of them who joined have resigned their seats. Doing the honourable thing of the first time in Pakistani politics.
Wasn't SMQ offered another ministry, but he insisted on FM and then decided to leave PPP. He was PML(N) and with Mush. Similarly JH was JI, with malown Zaiul-Haq, then he joined PML(N) and now with TI. They are very much come under the definition of LOTAS. Had they were honest they should have remained either with their parent parties or become independant. Both have joined with some conditions with IK. It is not a free ride.
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EyEsOnSkY:
Only those who are satisfied with the system or do not want change do not vote.
Not voting is same as voting winner candidate. That is why people who do not vote, similar to people who voted winner candidate, have no right to complain, because by not voting or voting winner candidate they got into power those who won election and rule. Thus both (people not voting or voting winner candidate) in their constituency are responsible of evil if winning candidate is evil.
Those who voted but their candidate did not win could complain as they tried to bring change but since they were in minority they did not manage to get change.
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Wasn't SMQ offered another ministry, but he insisted on FM and then decided to leave PPP. He was PML(N) and with Mush. Similarly JH was JI, with malown Zaiul-Haq, then he joined PML(N) and now with TI. They are very much come under the definition of LOTAS. Had they were honest they should have remained either with their parent parties or become independant. Both have joined with some conditions with IK. It is not a free ride.
And he wins election whichever party he contest election. :) ... Shows that people who vote SMQ do not vote parties but vote SMQ. He himself is party who take his seats wherever he go. He is electable. He can win regardless. If he moves he moves with the assembly seat. :)
Re: Lotay Wanted
:nono: SMQ ek Sahib e karaamat buzrig hain. Unke haq main aisi baten 
Re: Lotay Wanted
I tell you much earlier.
This man is hopeless since his childhood
Dirtiest ever ,In cricket,after cricket and in politics
He showed his real face every time
In the time of Mush
In the time of Pasha
Sells himself in first opportunity
You can ask from whites of UK.