Suicide

[Muni]

One of my high school classmates committed suicide junior year. He was a quiet guy so I didn’t know him at all. He got involved with the wrong crowd and got into drugs and shop lifting. He was caught shop lifting and was scheduled to go to court. He just didn’t think he could face his parents. He took his dad’s gun and just blew his brains out in their basement.

The statistics for Suicide are horrifying, more people die from suicide than from homicide in the United States. Every day approximately 86 Americans commit suicide, and 1,500 people attempt to commit suicide.

It is the eighth leading cause of death for all Americans and third leading cause for people ages 15 to 24.

For help. Tips to help yourself and/or suicidal friends are here.

Lost-
I don’t think you can blame that guy’s mother or friends. Sometimes people hide their feeling very well. Perhaps the mother may have noticed but she was going through her own hell and she was probably preoccupied and not aware of her son’s feelings. Physically abused women are very emotionally codependent on their abusive husbands and are unable to take that first step to get away. Being outsiders, it is very easy for us to be objective and see that her treatment should not be tolerated but in that situation it is quite difficult for people to identify what is acceptable behavior. Go work with these women and you’ll understand.

I disagree with you that there was no way out for this guy and his mom. There are shelters for battered women and other services available in North America. I don’t believe that there is any situation that cannot be solved or alleviated. There is always something that can be done, no situation is ever hopeless.

Yes, we all go thru ups and downs. But the downs the suicidal people are feeling are serious downs brought about by chemical imbalances. Any any given time, approximately 10% of the population is depressed, this is about 28 million people in United States. These people need to seek professional assistance and they will be able to overcome the depression/ suicidal feelings. These feelings can be dealt with through medications and therapy. There is no shame in trying to help yourself. I hope that the stigma surrounding suicide and depression can be erased through awareness.

[dutch_paki]

HAhahaha I even tried that.

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1 time with pills and one time i jumped from window.(broke a leg since it was only one floor from the ground)
I knew it was harram but i was so depr. that i didnt cared. Was a dark periond in my life.
Then I saw life as a b*tch and evil. Now i c live as a challenge. I have goals and there are manny things i want to do for myself and others. And nothing can change that.

U should try to c it in this way also lost.
Life has great things to offer u. U maybe in a dip now, but there will be a time when u will feel happy in your heart

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[dutch_paki]

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Originally posted by samunder:
*I know I'm not answering the question at hand but I have to emphasize here that life is *not about winning OR losing. It is simply about LIVING. It's about striking up a conversation with a street-corner musician to get a glimpse into his world. Enjoying little pleasures like pulling off a country road to eat peaches with your dad at a farm produce stand or rescuing a kitten from being flattened on a highway even though you know the animal shelter's probably going to put it to sleep. To be able to breathe, smile, walk, communicate, taste, to do these things is such a remarkable privilege.

You OWE it to yourself (I mean this to anybody who is suicidal) to make this precious time you have on this earth, as rich as possible. So, perchance, should you catch yourself thinking "WHY?" you can also look to these memories and say "why ever NOT?"**
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Wrong bhaijaan. Live is about winning or loosing. The ones who work hard to achieve something or who are happy are the ones who want to win. The others who want to die, the are tired of fighting, so the loose

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[Achtung]

I’m just going to reiterate a few points, because other posters have already done a good job of responding.

1) On the use of the word ‘selfish’ – Pristine thank you for helping clarify what I meant. My friends suicide, in my own mind, seemed to be a very selfish act. It may have been a symbol of his desperation – but nonetheless, the act itself did not take into consideration the impacts on others who cared dearly for him. That being said, I can see how acts of suicide could be the exact opposite – unselfish acts. I’m thinking of when someone would take their own life, for the altruistic purpose of assisting others. A hypothetical example would be a drought, where a mother decides not to eat for the sake of her children, and kills herself in the process.

2) Muni did a good job of pointing out some of the resources one can approach, both in cases of domestic abuse and suicide. She also discussed some of the barriers to accessing those services and some of the issues that prevent women from getting the help they need when they are in abusive relationships. As far as my friend’s family is concerned, as far as I know his mother still lives with his father. I’m not sure if the situation in their house has changed any. I would hope it has. But even if it hasn’t – this doesn’t validate his decision to take his own life. He had other avenues, as Muni had pointed out. When I’m writing this I’m conscious of the fact that I am coming off judgmental. And truly I don’t want to judge my friends actions – but I can’t agree with the choice he made in the end.

3) I think there are moments in time when we all feel desperate and frustrated. I think these feelings can translate into something symptomatic of severe depression. Depression is a sickness, and like any other, there are remedies – both medicinal and otherwise. Like any other sickness we can fight it until its destructive impacts are diminished. If we get any other disease (i.e. cancer) we fight it. Once a bodies coping mechanisms are exceeded with pain – than we have to intervene to assist. All of us have different thresholds for coping – for some of us it may be the most minor of things that causes us to venture into a severe form of depression, for others it’s a lot more. Having something, relatively minor trigger a bout of depression, doesn’t make us “loosers” – it makes us human. What we have to do is increase our bodies capacity to cope with the pain. We should not sit back and let any disease take our life.

If, as Muni said, there didn’t exist such a negative stigma around suicide, it would be a lot easier to treat the symptoms that lead to it. And as she has said, this can be accomplished through increased awareness. It sounds all hokey, when we say “you are not alone”, “there is help”, etc…but in the end many times its true.

Achtung

[The_Grateful_Dead]

O Death, O Death, rock me asleep,
Bring me to quiet rest;
Let pass my weary guiltless ghost
Out of my careful breast.
Toll on, thou passing bell;
Ring out my doleful knell;
Thy sound my death abroad will tell,
For I must die,
There is no remedy.

My pains, my pains, who can express?
Alas, they are so strong!
My dolours will not suffer strength
My life for to prolong.
Toll on, thou passing bell;
Ring out my doleful knell;
Thy sound my death abroad will tell,
For I must die,
There is no remedy.

Alone, alone in prison strong
I wail my destiny:
Woe worth this cruel hap that I
Must taste this misery!
Toll on, thou passing bell;
Ring out my doleful knell;
Thy sound my death abroad will tell,
For I must die,
There is no remedy.

Farewell, farewell, my pleasures past!
Welcome, my present pain!
I feel my torment so increase
That life cannot remain.
Cease now, thou passing bell,
Ring out my doleful knoll,
For thou my death dost tell:
Lord, pity thou my soul!
Death doth draw nigh,
Sound dolefully:
For now I die,
I die, I die.

[This message has been edited by The Grateful Dead (edited March 21, 2002).]

[T2]

if someone will die in some years time but he or she has a very small chance to survive through surgery but even then he or she would be paralysed for life not able to speak and kinda dum up there ...... would not taking the surgery option and living the time u have left without being handicapped and id say happy be counted as suicide or something like that ?????????

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[Achtung]

thats called euthanasia...

you know, Dr. Kevorkian...

Achtung

[T2]

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Originally posted by Achtung:
**thats called euthanasia...

you know, Dr. Kevorkian...

Achtung**
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basically i wanted to know if that is right in Islam or not !!but thanx anyways

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