Re: Suicide Bombing.....WHY?
Hmmm.. USR bhai, it looks like that after a tough start, we are friends now. Thanks
:)
I simply speak what I think. My opinions may not always be the same as yours. Its just that I try not to misbehave with anyone and I'm not one who comes here to win an argument. A good discussion brings out truth and other view points. Its for the readers to decide what they agree with.
Re: Suicide Bombing.....WHY?
Prior to the rise of a minority of extremist, radical, Fundamentalist Muslim clerics:
The taking and maltreatment of hostages has not been permitted within Islam.
Suicide has been forbidden in Islam.
Muslims have been forbidden to attack innocent civilians; they have not even been permitted to kill an unarmed soldier in wartime.
Following the suicide attack in Beirut, Lebanon, in 1983, "Radical Muslim clerics scoured Islam's sacred texts for justifications of violence, and found them. In the years to come, the [radical] clerics and the terrorists widened their license. At first, it included only 'intruders' in Muslim lands: foreign forces, embassies, and civilians. Later it was extended to include 'enemy' installations in third countries, and finally, civilians in the 'lands of unbelief.' No moral red line could stop the escalation."
Such clerics remain a small but very vocal minority within Islam. Unfortunately, the western media rarely gives a balanced presentation of Islamic thought; they tend to over-emphasize the extreme radical Fundamentalist element, and largely ignore moderates within Islam.
Re: Suicide Bombing.....WHY?
Prior to the rise of a minority of extremist, radical, Fundamentalist Muslim clerics:
The taking and maltreatment of hostages has not been permitted within Islam. Suicide has been forbidden in Islam. Muslims have been forbidden to attack innocent civilians; they have not even been permitted to kill an unarmed soldier in wartime.
Following the suicide attack in Beirut, Lebanon, in 1983, "Radical Muslim clerics scoured Islam's sacred texts for justifications of violence, and found them. In the years to come, the [radical] clerics and the terrorists widened their license. At first, it included only 'intruders' in Muslim lands: foreign forces, embassies, and civilians. Later it was extended to include 'enemy' installations in third countries, and finally, civilians in the 'lands of unbelief.' No moral red line could stop the escalation."
Such clerics remain a small but very vocal minority within Islam. Unfortunately, the western media rarely gives a balanced presentation of Islamic thought; they tend to over-emphasize the extreme radical Fundamentalist element, and largely ignore moderates within Islam.
Actually you are right about the Beirut incident. It probably formed the basis for all modern forms of suicidal bombings. However I think the idea also derived from Japanese Kamikaze pilots during the world war.
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All hot air and no substance by you. Why am I not surprised?
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All hot air and no substance by you. Why am I not surprised?
baji
it only shows your lack of knowledge about the history that is known to anyone...
The source was reliable
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suicide is suicide. No one but Allah decides when your life ends. Taking pre-emptive actions is flawed, one can not be certain XYZ will kill you, attempt may fail.
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So you think all Americans love their soldiers for their kartoot and they don’t point fingers at them? :halo:
Anyway, yes I agree with you…may be there was a big revolution in our army after 1965. My father left the army after 1965’s war, he wasn’t in 1971’s war…may be thats why Pakistan lost. 
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My Hats off for your father for being part of Army during the time when people actually loved Pak Foj.
Yes maybe he should be in the Army in 71 
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My Hats off for your father for being part of Army during the time when people actually loved Pak Foj.
Yes maybe he should be in the Army in 71 :-)
Thanks but lots of credit goes to Ayub Khan.
According to my family members(and some non-family members) who've seen 1965's war........most people who strap themselves with bombs against indian tanks were **civillians **of Sialkot. Allah hu Alim
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walaykum salaam
Alhamdulilah…I should be studying at the moment but couldn’t stop myself from posting on GS.
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walaykum salaam Alhamdulilah.......I should be studying at the moment but couldn't stop myself from posting on GS.
Studying for what??? Allah SWT aap kaamyaabi ata farmai, study hard lady.
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Studying for what??? Allah SWT aap kaamyaabi ata farmai, study hard lady.
JazakAllah.....
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Risc.... I totally agree... suicide is suicide. One does not have the right to make the decision to takes ones life... Allah has kept that one right to himself.
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I suggest you go to Palestine and visit the refugee camps and see for yourself what years of agression does to the mindsets of people. You are In a corner and surrounded, you either fight or die.
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These so called defenders of Islam are the REAL enemies of Islam. The majority of the Muslims of the world are being to ransom by these evil elements. Like a virus in the body, it has to be dealt with, like wise majority Muslims should not allow these viral entities to spread and become a cancer!
Peace Daniyal
It is good you have brought the argument of The Qur'an forbidding suicide. I agree with you by the way.
However, I don't think the quoted section above is fair. People may have good intentions even if their actions are harming the public opinion of Muslims. Allah (SWT) will Judge our actions based on our intentions not on the public opinion generated by them.
The REAL enemy of Islam is actually quite an involved enemy and it props up everywhere with the tokens of diplomatic immunity and it is called the 'Media Engine'. It is in the Qur'an that we learn that mischief is worse than murder. The propaganda set up by the media - the most we will do say media this media that, but who has given the right to the media to take sides and spin stories and mould public opinion? The quickest court cases, trial, judge, jury sentence all rolled in to one is the current media wave. No one trials them for slander or maligning.
It is most likely because of the way you have acquired your information that you have made the statement above.
I disagree with some desperate tactics such as suicide, but will the media stress that these were actions made in desperation? And what of the rest of the Muslim world? We sit here getting worried about public opinion when these other not 'so-called' Muslims, but 'desperate Muslims' lay their lives down.
I agree this element has to be dealt with, the first thing to do is to remove the state of desperation from the people who threaten suicide, give them what they want. Simple As!
It is an interesting situation that the media try to bend people away from. Stopping them from using their faculties of critical thinking.
State = powerful and it has just demolished properties that were in the control of such people.
Certain Muslim group = threats of suicide bombings, etc
It is a scenario worth the thought. If the group were in power and they threatened to suicide bomb anyone who opposes them, this is another issue, but we gotta look closer at who is holding the bigger stick!