It’s a simple question. I’m not asking if suicide bombing is right or wrong but if such attacks further the cause of the Palestinians or do they push them into a deeper whole further away from gaining a homeland?
The net result is going to be:
a killing wall separating the jewish population from the palestinians, with very little commerce or trade between the two. India and Pakistan is a good model. Both could benefit from trade but instead it is hurling Nuclear Bombs.
One of these days the bombers will get hold Nuclear wepons from somewhere as Donald Rumsfeld said. It is not a question of if but simply when. I have very little doubt that some extremist groups absolutely convinced of doing God's work will Nuke Israel. Everyone knows what the response is going to be. Bye Bye Israel! Bye Bye Middle East!
Selfimmolation ,Kamakazi ,Hostage taking all of similar acts are acts of empowerment of the weak helpless & trampelled .
Those that shout to stop it are MOST UNCOMFORTABLE & DISTURBED BY IT …BUSH ,SHARON,KOFI ANON .
Instead of taking steps to lessen ,if they continue to remain indifferent to pplz. & PALESTENIANS sufferings ,pplz. Will continue to dio what they want b/c they dont see eye to eye "HOW BEUTIFULL LIFE IS :: it isnt for all!!!
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Yes suicide bombing has tremendous effect !
WILL I ENCOURAGE IT …NO NO NO
Its individual discision like any personal commitment .
“Experience is a hard teacher because she gives the test first, the lesson afterwards.” – Unknown
Whatever kind of answer we come up with for this issue would be wrong. Reason being, the unwillingness (to its own benefit) of the world to realize that this is not a political or national problem for either side, it religious.
And the modern world, dose not want this to become an issue. Israel has been very smart in projecting it self as the only democracy in the middle east, among the Arab tyrants. But it puts little emphasis on projecting it self as the only Jewish democracy in the region. The Israeli policies from the day of its existence has based on a religion and are driven by it. So, even if Israel is a democracy but it follows it's religious agendas to its core. Where as, when the Arabs try to use the same principle (using religion, like IRM and Jihad) its condemned by the whole world.
So the world on one hand is supporting the Jewish Democracy and on the other hand condemning the non-democratic Islamists.
It reminds me of the modern day "Gentiles", but this time the Jews has forgiven the Christians and made them non-gentiles.
Yes, it had hurt in the past and is still hurting the Palistinian cause.
Totally counter-productive. Erractic attacks derail any attempts at meaningful dialogue. This makes the terrorists an uncivilized and tragic "nusiance" to be dealt with, rather than a political entity to be seriously bargained with in good faith.
If someone claiming to be your best friend smells strongly like dead fish, your not going to have too many other friends! The stench is going to adhere to you, too! Unfortunately, the Palestinian cause subsequently finds a deaf ear in many quarters due to the company it keeps, willingly or not! Until the average Palestinian withdraws support for these actions, the groups that facilitate them, and rid themselves of those factions that call for the total destruction of Israel, they will not be taken seriously.
Peace to all who read this...
It totally destroys their cause and accomplishes nothing but getting Israel to crack down harder on them and the world to have a little less sympathy for them every time one does a bombing.
MiniMe makes has a very valid point with regard to world perception of the issue.
Just a question: Would the bombing be justified if used solely against the occupying military, making every effort possible to ensure its precision in order to minimise collateral damage?
these latest bombings happened while CIA chief Tenet was in the area meeting with
Arafat. Something is fishy..hmmm
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I see the eigenvalue in thine eye,
I hear the tender tensor in thy sigh.
Bernoulli would have been content to die
Had he but known such a-squared cos 2(phi)!
– Stanislaw Lem, “Cyberiad”
Its ineffective, but they will not stop without israeli withdrawal.
They held back for a very long time, giving way to diplomacy, but nothing came of it. The UN gave them a bunch of security council resolutions, which israel refused to abide by. Other states gave them hollow assurances, and they lived with those assurances for 55 long years. Sooner or later, they were bound to take things in their own hands, the only way they could. So now Israel has to live with it. Its israel that is cornered, not palestine. Remember Lebanon.
Mr.Pockets
First you r not in a position to do anything for them.Then why promise falsely & deceivingly
kashmir would be Sleeping
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& hindu would be building disco bar in the tourist resort of Kashmir
In Palestine if nothing better than in 1948 but atleast it isnt a bit ANY WORSE THAN IT HAS BEEN SINCE ISRAELS OCCUPATION
Let see you let me occupy your house & followo your own advice of sleeping
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in harmony with me ???
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[This message has been edited by Azad Munna (edited June 06, 2002).]
Originally posted by Azad Munna:
First you r not in a position to do anything for them.Then why promise falsely & deceivingly
Greetings! You are not entirely correct - as a US citizen, I'm able to make my opinion known to my representatives, and, to promote the Palestinian cause to my relatives, friends and aquaintences. If I convince them I am right, they will convince others. It is easy to underestimate the power of the individual.
kashmir would be Sleeping & hindu would be building disco bar in the tourist resort of Kashmir
I am unclear as to your entire meaning. By Kashmir sleeping, do you mean to say that if Kashmir sleeps while the "robbers are at the door", the hindus will take and defile Kashmir? _____________________________________________
In Palestine if nothing better than in 1948 but atleast it isnt a bit ANY WORSE THAN IT HAS BEEN SINCE ISRAELS OCCUPATION
I don't mean to seem ignorant, but, please elaborate the specifics of your position. I am already aware of historical claims and atrocities on both sides. At what point do both sides show the intelligence to say "ENOUGH!"? To entertain the idea that the nation of Israel is going away is sheer lunacy (no offense!) The only people capable of helping the Palestinian cause are those who are willing to work within the existing framework of international politics - not cowardly acts in the name of patriotism and religion.
The word "patriot" comes from the latin, and means "to love as a father". What father would leave his family to survive without his love, guidance and support under considerable adversity? That is true cowardice! A FATHER, A REAL MAN, grits his teeth, bears his load, and does the very best he can with what the good Lord has given him! And, if he works hard, and praises God for what he has been given, he can excel, prosper, and, eventually, overcome. People who make doing good in this world the primary focus become the catalyst for others to do the same. Sorry, didn't mean to sound "preachy", if I came across as such! Just call me tired of childish behavior between nations!
Let see you let me occupy your house & follow your own advice of sleeping in harmony with me ???
Azad Munna - I do not know you - why should I mistrust you? Are you sincere, or do you wish me harm? I read many posts on Gupshup from people who would rather shoot me on site as an American and/or a Christian and a "so-called" Kafir, than would have me to tea!
Yet, I met my first 2 Pakistani citizens a week after 9/11. I have met several more since, and, many Arab Americans as well. All would be welcome in my home. They were all, men and women, individuals whom I felt to be of the highest character. They had inquiring minds and wished for understanding, dialogue, and peace. They represented their country and their faith with pride. I question why they are in America, the contributions they could make to their native lands are staggering....
So, what do you take in your tea, most honorable Azad Munna? Milk and sugar, or gunpowder? (This is meant in jest, to lighten the tone of a serious discussion! Please do not be offended!)
Peace to all who read this....
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Originally posted by underthedome:
*It's a simple question. I'm not asking if suicide bombing is right or wrong but if such attacks further the cause of the Palestinians or do they push them into a deeper whole further away from gaining a homeland? *
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It helps.
It does not help... unless targeted at people who have themsleves directly killed innocent people.
You can only paint with the colors you're given...
...so get what you like and like what you have.
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Originally posted by pakistan99:
*It does not help... unless targeted at people who have themsleves *directly killed innocent people.
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Targeting people who are killing innocent 'indirectly' helps in the cause.
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Originally posted by underthedome:
*It's a simple question. I'm not asking if suicide bombing is right or wrong but if such attacks further the cause of the Palestinians or do they push them into a deeper whole further away from gaining a homeland? *
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Neither.
Osama and his goons made sure that no one in the world has any more sympathies for the people of Palestine and these suicide bombings just show that they are desperate and alone now... Allah will help them...
ISRAEL has been squeezing to death the arabs since 50 years and sucide bombings are a recent phenomenon but once i heard hamas spokesman on hard talk where he said" our sucide bombers are there to tell israel that if it thinks that it can by using american helicopters and planes bomb us from a distance and get away with it its wrong