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At least 9 killed in attack on bus on Jaffa Street
By Haaretz Service and Agencies
Police said that at least 13 people were killed and
dozens were wounded, some seriously, when a
suicide bomber blew himself up on a bus in central
Jerusalem on Wednesday afternoon.
Jerusalem police chief Mickey
Levy said that a suicide bomber
detonated a large explosive
device on the Egged bus,
killing several people.
15 killed by suicide bomber, 5 killed by Israeli strike
There goes any chance of “accord” “peace” etc.
Witnesses said an Israeli Apache helicopter fired two missiles at a car stuck in a traffic jam in a crowded Gaza City neighborhood of Shijaiyah and then fired again after a group of people gathered around the stricken vehicle....
....Five other people were also killed. <<<<<
IDF is using repeated gunship attack against it's targets. Yesterday they attacked the car and soon after repeated the attack when people gathered to rescue the injured. Today, they did the same. At least Hamas alone cannot be blamed for establishing “peace” in the region.
The road to peace is a oneway road to Jordan.
The scenario is familiar and is repeated again and again. Every time there is a peace process or road maps, Israel looks for an excuse to sabotage the peace process. Their favourite ploy is to retaliate with gunships and kill Palestinians indiscriminately in order that Hamas would then retaliate and they would continue the circle of voilence and put the whole balme on Hamas "terrorists". They know that they can literally get away with murder as America will look the other way and by default approve the murder and mayhem of Palestinians.
If the Israelis were sincere, they would turn around and say we will not be side tracked by these bombings and will continue the peace process. If they do that how many more will blow themselves up when they know that no one is taking notice.
It is convenient for Israel as well because they are not sincere in implementing the peace process and especially a person like the butcher of Sabra, Shatilla, Jenin, the list is endless.
Hamas is the one who said they didn't except the 'road map' chosen, don't try and swing this the other way.
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IDF is using repeated gunship attack against it's targets. Yesterday they attacked the car and soon after repeated the attack when people gathered to rescue the injured. Today, they did the same. At least Hamas alone cannot be blamed for establishing “peace” in the region.
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Hamas militant Tito Massaoud, a leader in
the Izz a Din al-Kassam military wing was successfully killed in the strike.
After the preliminary agreement on the "Road Map", their were two possibilities:
Cease Fire hopefully leading to a lasting workable peace or
The continuation of violence.
One group is responsible for choosing violence-Hamas
We wouldn't even mention the Israeli retaliatory strikes had Palestinians honored a cease-fire. This is a monumentally important fact. If you disagree, please state why.
Hamas was never at any time part of any agreement between the PA and Israel. They were talking to PA, and then stopped talking after Aqaba. and what cease-fire? IDF attacked Gaza at least twice after the summit before Hamas retaliated. but all this is going nowhere..
Peace cannot be achieved between occupier and the oppressed.
There can never be peace with those who create mischief. Only temporary agreements.
There can never be peace when people use the outdated religous justification of "an eye for an eye".
One segment of the Palestinian people have not accepted the Road Map (i.e. the militant terrorist groups). If the Road Map is to be pursued, only two logical scenarios exist.
The Palestinian leadership represented by Abbas tried diplomacy and negotiation to try to get Hamas to change its mind. Hamas very publicly rebuked Abbas which constituted a clear challenge to his authority.
As to elimination, Abbas ruled out forcibly doing anything to reign in Hamas. So Israel is attempting to effectuate the second scenario.
Does anyone besides me believe that Abbas and his cohorts are most likely quietly and behind the scenes rendering information and intelligence to the IDF to eliminate top Hamas figures? Abbas' tenure as a major Palestinian leader has clearly and publicly been tied inextricably to achieving peace with Israel through implementation of the Road Map. Abbas and Hamas cannot coexist as their policies are diametrically opposed to each other.
Frankly, it would not surprise me in the least to see Abbas become a target for assassination by Hamas.
Seminole, its all about religion, those who think its not should read the fine print.
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Hamas is the one who said they didn't except the 'road map' chosen, don't try and swing this the other way.
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I am not trying to swing it the other way. Just stating the facts. The Israeli govt and IDF make Hamas look like angels.
I think the "terrorists" need to learn that this tactic is getting old. There is no peace in the middle east, its a lost cause. These groups are here to ensure that, on both sides, neither Israel, nor Palestine are blameless. But it does make me wonder what they gain from this. Apart from an afterlife batheing leisurely in the fires of hell.
THE ROADMAP IS NOT DEAD.
I’m tired of people saying that it is.
The Roadmap is not an inflexible recipe, betrayal of its written form will not result in chaos. The Roadmap is a concept, it is the very simple idea that people can live in Peace without institutional fear. If it appears to be failing, it is not; that is only the expectation or desire of the person seeing it that way.
People on the Palestinian side often refer to the Jews’ violence before statehood, but there is one thing that they can borrow from the Jews’ past if they want to end the violence: Altalena.
The immediate objective for the Palestinians is to get a state. Compromise is acceptable, especially considering the alternative.
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There can never be peace when people use the outdated religous justification of "an eye for an eye".
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If an eye for an eye is not a just concept, why is it still applied to murderers in the USA?
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If an eye for an eye is not a just concept, why is it still applied to murderers in the USA?
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I don't speak for, nor do I condone every action of the US government. I just find it mind boggling that the great teachings of peace by Jesus Christ are ignored by the Jews and misinterpreted by the Muslims. There is no way that God would sanction the murder of innocent people to satisfy one's thirst for revenge.
That being said, capital punishment in the US is not based on God sanctioned revenge. It is a LEGAL system where only the guilty are punished. Besides that, capital punishment in the US is not causing the terror of a nation and the occupation of another like the "eye for an eye" policy is in the ME.
duh! maybe thats because Jews dont believe Jesus to be a prophet or the messiah. Muslims can hardly follow the teachings of Muhammad :saw: , Jesus is still a far cry.
Although one human's life is, and should be considered to be equally important to another's , I am disgusted at the fact these suicide boombers target civilian targets. By doing so they do nothing but create hatred among the people who will hopefully be their neighbours. Instead of creating hatred among the civilian population, they should target government institutions - an act Israel routinely does. By doing this they will simply be doing to Israel, what Israel had done to them. This would not give Israel the oppurtunity to blame their actions on it's civilian casualties caused by the Palestinians.
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Although one human's life is, and should be considered to be equally important to another's , I am disgusted at the fact these suicide boombers target civilian targets. By doing so they do nothing but create hatred among the people who will hopefully be their neighbours. Instead of creating hatred among the civilian population,* they should target government institutions - an act Israel routinely does.** By doing this they will simply be doing to Israel, what Israel had done to them. This would not give Israel the oppurtunity to blame their actions on it's civilian casualties caused by the Palestinians.
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is it that possible, huh? nah .... its the people who had their family member murdered who are choosing to go and do the sucide bombing ......