suicidal muslims

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or suicidal people in general…or even people like me who just despair a WHOLE lot :bummer:

i was just reading Surah Hajj ayyah 15 and this verse just HIT me

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مَن كَانَ يَظُنُّ أَن لَّن يَنصُرَهُ اللَّهُ فِي الدُّنْيَا وَالْآخِرَةِ فَلْيَمْدُدْ بِسَبَبٍ إِلَى السَّمَاء ثُمَّ لِيَقْطَعْ فَلْيَنظُرْ هَلْ يُذْهِبَنَّ كَيْدُهُ مَا يَغِيظُ

22:15 If any think that Allah will not help him (His Messenger. in this world and the Hereafter, let him stretch out a rope to the ceiling and cut (himself) off: then let him see whether his plan will remove that which enrages (him)! **

i just think that is amazing…like so simple yet so not comprehended often enough (and this is something i am so very guilty of)…like ok you’re so upset and you think God’s forgotten you and so do you think killing yourself will take away the pain? do you think it will make all the problems go away?

i don’t know if what i’m saying makes sense to any one else…but to anyone who’s ever felt forgotten or rejected or desperate…i think this ayyah is a good wake up call

i don’t know, i just felt like sharing with you all

:wave:

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:mad: i get excited about something and no one has annnnything to say??

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truu suicide wont take away the pain...

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jee
thanx 4 sharing

i hv thought of it but if u think Allah is the GREATEST and

itz not worth it

and Allah is always there 2 listen 2 u and look over u

at the end of it Allah created u and gave u life so i think Allah is the only 1 who has the right 2 take it away

SO THANX 4 SHARING AND I THINK MORE PEOPLE SHOULD TAKE NOTICE OF THIS PAGE IT IS REALLY IMPORTANT :)

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That's really really nice, 714. There was a time when I could really could have used that.

But you're right - its simple and it gives a practical spin on why suicide is basically useless.

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chacha ghalib farmaatay hain:
ab to ghabraa keh yeh kehtay hain ke mar jayeinge
mar ke bhee chayn na paya to kidhar jayeinge

btw, there is another meaning to the verse, which goes like this that "if anyone (i.e. the kuffaar) think that Allah will not help him i.e. Muhammad (saw), in this world and in the hereafter then let him extend a rope to the heaven and cut off (the help from Allah) then let him see whether his plan will remove that which enrages (him)"....
just thought i'd share it with u....

most scholars go with this meaning cuz the word used here is as-samaa' which means heaven (or sky) and not ceiling....

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so, its the interpreter's interpretation that "anyone" means specifically kuffar. Well then it doesn't really mean "anyone" anymore.

How is it that people like you turn everything into some point of warfare jihaad?

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^
perhaps, it's the context and background of the particular revelation :)

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Its not the first time I or someone else has taken a verse and seen a double meaning in it. Maybe this verse was intended to have this particular meaning for 714. It gave her inspiration. So, lets leave it at that and see it as an anti-suicide ayah rather than a all-kuffar-are-going-to-hell-yeah-lets-pump-up-our-muscle ayah.

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There is another meaning as well, that is , if there is anyone who thinks Allah will not help His Messenger in this life or thereafter let him hang himself and see if he can stopn what enrages him (that is Allah helping HIS Messenger)

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714 many thanks for sharing

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714 i think your interpretation totally makes sense, keep the faith alive!!!

Plus after the bad there is generally good on its way u know...and u keep that hope with god. that he has something good in store for you...and the good always seems so much better after the bad..u knw..kiinda like food tastes better after u have been starving!

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That one makes more sense than what the brigaders brought forth.

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^ baji, there is something called "tafseer", which shows u what the opinion of the people was about verses, and those r the people who were first-hand recipents of the message from the Prophet (saw)....

give it a thought, maybe, just maybe, those ppl wud know better then what me and u can deduce about verses from our common knowledge....

and if u r bent on literal meanings of verses, tell me what it means to hang one's own self from the sky????
remember the word ceiling is not used in the verse, the arabic word used is as-samaa', and i think it is very well known that this word means sky....

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Um, then Allah would not have said that the Quran is made for anyone to understand. I see people using tafseer as a tool, but I dont think it should be a definite way of interpreting the Quran. Then you're just listening to men, and men are almost always biased, and can very well be wrong.

Interpretations do not have to always be literal. I don't see anything wrong with a person taking a particular meaning out of a verse, especially when they see it as encouraging on not to kill themselves. I think its pretty barbaric to enter into a thread and side track it by saying, Oh that's not what it really means. If it means something to 714 and other people, then let it, instead of telling them they're wrong.

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^
exactly the chrisitian view of bible

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nice find 714

The Random Thread
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:smack:

this is why i try to refrain from posting in the forums anymore…always argument

PCG and others thank you for your defense, and i’m glad it meant something to you guys

Armughal and AQ bhai-thanks for the other interpretations, i appreciate your trying to shed some light on the issue

All i know, is i was reading the Quran and as someone who’s been desperate at times…that ayyah did wonders for me…i think there is a reason that i turned to that out of all ayyahs b/c i just picked a surah and started reading…and i think while there are backgrounds and reasons for certain ayyahs, the Quran is also a book, a guidance for ALL mankind…so if it helps you in any way just go with it

regardless, the point of this whole thread was that even when everything seems like it’s falling apart and you have no where to turn, you STILL have the resources in the way of Allah (SWT) and if you ask HIM for help, he will help you

i went through a phase where i was angry, and i was hurt so i stopped praying…:frowning: and it didn’t work…and it was a mistake, now i’m older and more mature, (or something :clown: ) and i’m trying a different approach

i think another appropriate ayya, at least in terms of what i’m talking about is this:
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لاَ يُكَلِّفُ اللّهُ نَفْسًا إِلاَّ وُسْعَهَا لَهَا مَا كَسَبَتْ وَعَلَيْهَا مَا اكْتَسَبَتْ رَبَّنَا لاَ تُؤَاخِذْنَا إِن نَّسِينَا أَوْ أَخْطَأْنَا رَبَّنَا
وَلاَ تَحْمِلْ عَلَيْنَا إِصْرًا كَمَا حَمَلْتَهُ عَلَى الَّذِينَ مِن قَبْلِنَا رَبَّنَا وَلاَ تُحَمِّلْنَا مَا لاَ طَاقَةَ لَنَا بِهِ وَاعْفُ عَنَّا وَاغْفِرْ لَنَا وَارْحَمْنَآ أَنتَ مَوْلاَنَا فَانصُرْنَا عَلَى الْقَوْمِ الْكَافِرِين

2:286 On no soul doth Allah Place a burden greater than it can bear. It gets every good that it earns, and it suffers every ill that it earns. (Pray: ) “Our Lord! Condemn us not if we forget or fall into error; our Lord! Lay not on us a burden Like that which Thou didst lay on those before us; Our Lord! Lay not on us a burden greater than we have strength to bear. Blot out our sins, and grant us forgiveness. Have mercy on us. Thou art our Protector; Help us against those who stand against faith.”
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b/c i know sometimes i am desperate and i just don’t understand why things are happening the way they are…and i KNOW other people have it much worse and think the same thing

my point in this thread was simply to give people hope, to tell them to have faith, that there are other people in your shoes, that you are not alone, and to let God help you

:slight_smile:

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