Amy, what religious figures you think hold merit in Islam?
How perceptive, haan? You must have an IQ greater than that of a brain-dead caterpillar. I am amazed at you.
You are just trying to force ppl to throw up at you. Unfortunately for you this is neither the place for this nor you are worth any such trouble.
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No subject bothers me, including homosexuality. You can discuss all your experiences here, and I wouldn’t mind. Whatever way you wish to engage in such despicable topics or acts, I have no objection. Just don’t expect me to engage in this discussion.
I am sure ppl here, have better things to do in life than to discuss anything with you…
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Islam was not entirely spread by the sword.
Islam was spread really to the poor and lower class people of India. Because, of Islam's doctrine on equality of all man of Islamic faith, and brotherhood.
India, being prevalently Hindu, had the caste system in which the lower castes were essentially pissed off for being treated like BS.
So Islam looked ideal to these people, and thus they took into Islam.
But, many people of low-classes etc, were not as educated, as Education was never really provided for people of low-classes. Due to ignorance, many of them converted to Islam for the sake of promises/benefits they will receive as the eternal reward after they die.
Islam spread through India, basically on Ignorance, and for Charity of the poor of the time.
Very little were forced by the sword. Islam only used the sword on Hindu's after Sikhs tried to stop them from using it. The Sword only came about, when Sikhs also realized that Islam was not becoming influential or spiritual anymore, but instead oppressive.
Arai
After prophet's death no other human being has any right to proclaim themselves as religious figures. The message was sent by God through the prophet in the Book called Quran and that's all there is to it. Its a very simple and complete way of life.
Many of you get very hot and emotional, some of you have said a lot of things about my upbringing and knowledge which is fine. All of you have the right to express your opinion. I understand that English is a second language for many of you and many of you think that cut and paste is a great way of writing, but that speaks for itself. I don't do that. Some of notes are provocative and WILL make many of uncomfortable but so be it. When I write something here, I am not concerned with anyone's anger or disagreement. So why don't all of you eat a little bit of icecream after you eat curry so that chilli will not irritate your rectum next day and you will be able to maintain your composure.
Amy, you are aright. Hadith was written by a human being, the same human being who uttered the words that were claimed to be from a supernatural power. I agree with you, all the way.
Where I stop to think is that as believers of one aspect of the utterances as those from a supernatural being, and as such, believing that the person uttering it is acting under the direction/protection/supervision of that supernatural being, what is there for me to doubt that the other aspect of that person can be uttered with the direction/protection/supervision of the supernatural being? (Please don't analyze this statement grammatically)
The one aspect of the utterances you believe in provides clues by the supernatural being.
Another thing, I am correct in saying that the Quran is not complete. Without the human being who gave fodder to others to write down on leaves and bones and skins of dead animals (disgusting, right?) which became known as the Quran, following those same utterances, those who professed to believe in him as some sort of siantly person, wouldn't really know completely how to follow the Quran.
Based on what you are saying, we should really examin our belief in the Quran. Why should it be looked at any differently then the Hadith? Both came from the same person.
Some people get confused by the fact that the professed Holy book gives very strict warnings to respect and follow the Prophet, and as such, everything he said and done was written down or remembered meticulously with utter reverence.
Besides that, as the Quran says: "To you your belief and to me my belief".
Reposted again due to a mistake in my prev. post. Sorry.
Amy, you are aright. Hadith was written by a human being, the same human being who uttered the words that were claimed to be from a supernatural power. I agree with you, all the way.
Where I stop to think is that as believers of one aspect of the utterances as those from a supernatural being, and as such, believing that the person uttering it is acting under the direction/protection/supervision of that supernatural being, what is there for me to doubt that the other aspect of that person can be uttered with*out* the direction/protection/supervision of the supernatural being? (Please don't analyze this statement grammatically)
The one aspect of the utterances you believe in provides clues by the supernatural being.
Another thing, I am correct in saying that the Quran is not complete. Without the human being who gave fodder to others to write down on leaves and bones and skins of dead animals (disgusting, right?) which became known as the Quran, following those same utterances, those who professed to believe in him as some sort of siantly person wouldn't really know completely how to follow the Quran.
Based on what you are saying, we should really examin our belief in the Quran. Why should it be looked at any differently then the Hadith? Both came from the same person.
Some people get confused by the fact that the professed Holy book gives very strict warnings to respect and follow the Prophet, and as such, everything he said and done was written down or remembered meticulously with utter reverence.
Besides that, as the Quran says: "To you your belief and to me my belief".
Arai, Majority of muslims converted to Islam were christians and juish. Large number of people converting to Islam now a days are also christians and are well educated, even scientists and doctors.
One of such person I remember this time is French scientist Mr. Maurice Bucaille converted to Islam in late 70's. He then wrote book 'The Bible, Quran and Science'. If possible do read it, you will find it interesting and informative.
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What did Moiz Amjad (PartyPoopers respected scholar say about Sufism)
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Sufism, to a layman, is a mystical approach toward Islam. It is, however, very difficult to say that Sufism is, in any way, a part of Islam. A close study of the source of religious knowledge and the basic beliefs of Sufism, in the light of the Qur'an shows that not only are the sources or the basic beliefs of Sufism not mentioned in the Qur'an, but also that they run parallel to that of Islam.
To keep my answer short, I shall only briefly present the example of Tawheed, the most basic article of faith in Islam. According to Islam, the most desirable level of the belief of Tawheed is to hold that no one, besides God, deserves to be given the status of a deity and thus no one, besides God, deserves to be given the rights that are deserved by a deity. This, according to the Qur'an was the teachings of all the Prophets of God, including Muhammad (pbuh). However, in the eyes of Sufism, this is only the starting level of the belief of Tawheed. They hold that the most perfect level of Tawheed is the acceptance of the belief that no one besides God has any existence.
The case of Risalat and Aakhirat is also not any different. Both these beliefs are held in absolutely parallel senses in Islam and Sufism.
Thus, in principle, Sufism, in my opinion, is a complete religion parallel to Islam. The sources of the two are different, their beliefs are different and their attitude toward the Shari`ah -- Islamic law -- are different.
As far as the question whether be considered a Muslim or not, it is beyond my jurisdiction to call anyone a non-Muslim. I can only tell you that the ideology that the Sufis ascribe to is not based on the Qur'an and the Sunnah.
I hope this helps. In case any question remains unanswered or if any further detail is required on any specific aspect, please feel free in writing back to me at your own convenience.
May the Almighty guide us all to the path of His liking.
My fondest regards to you and those around you.
The Learner
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