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^ I am pretty sure you are being facetious, in trying to interpret a spiritual statement and applying it literally.

While I don’t agree to all facets of sufism, I can understand why it will attract to a lot of people.

And love of Allah should be the cornerstone of our imaan. Why some people will insist on making our Creator into some angry God who is only interested in putting people in hell-fire, is beyond me. And the powers of Allah are infinite, which, by definition, means He can be anywhere and everywhere He wants to be. Therefore, to insist that tawheed requires us to believe He be restricted to a place up in heavens (astaghfirrullah) makes no sense. That is like challenging His powers. Bottom line: not a good idea.

Gamma, good for you, man. :k:

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Do post more Gamma..

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why do so many Muslims constantly make fun of Sufis?

they are by far the most respected Muslims (by all other relevant communities in the world).

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:mash: …go for it Gamma

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GAMMA… Its Wahdatul-Wajood you are refering to. Lots of SUFI ppl were of that Idea. The Biggest Example is… MANSOOR HALLAJ…

There is a Book… DEWANE SHAMS BY RUMI… Its in Persian along with Explanation in ENGLISH… Although the Explanation is not that good.. BUT.. still its Worth Reading… If U could Find that Book… You will Read… SHAH SHAMS TABREZ Poetrey as well.

GOOD LUCK :k:

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"Those who have come to know Allah, through His own self-disclosure to them, they did not come to know Him via their minds, have known him with the light which Allah imparted to their hearts and minds" (IbneArabi)

Gamma do post more. I enjoy it too.

Yep many muslims think of sufis as almost kafirs. So wrong. I think if one takes away the "heart" part if Islam , it can become very mechanical. How can you love someone without involving "heart".

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regardless of whether or not all of it is islamically sound, this is profoud stuff. good work gamma..

heres one I liked..

The Jesus of your Spirit

The Jesus of your spirit is inside you now.
Ask that one for help, but don't ask for body-things...

Don't ask Moses for provisions
that you can get from Pharaoh.

Don't worry so much about livelihood.
Your livelihood will turn out as it should.
Be constantly occupied instead
with listening to God.

  • Rumi

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I like these ideas except I still call myself muslim…

why this book more than another, what is so special about it?

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I bet you all believe that you are exceptionally brilliant because you can understand such abstract philosophical stuff.

I also bet you are all exceptionally unemployed.

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doesn’t anyone understand it?

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Wordsworth makes me feel spiritual. I don't feel anything reading what you pasted.

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sometimes the bhullay shah stuff is heavy to digest.

u need to go thru it 3rice maybe to understand it.

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Alhumdulilah, the time has not yet come…that we may need a hindu, or a christian or a jew to tell us which form of Islam is more correct.

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^ but he has a point

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Hafiz sahab thank you for giving those thoughts a voice. It helped some of us find ourselves somewhat as far as religion is concerned.

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haha i couldn’t care less which form of islam is “correct”, and i made no such reference in my post.

i simply said that Sufis are the most respected amongst the Muslims. they have monopolized the title of “muslim intellectual” (then again, that isn’t exactly the most difficult thing to do).

why is that?

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A slight correction ....

"Saints" are most respected people among muslims.

Now there is a difference between a 'sufi' and a 'saint'.

A saint is learned muslim who attract people towards islam because of his pristine presentation of Islamic ethics and values.

A sufi is a person who believes that love is the most important virtue and gift of God to human. He loves his fellow creature and his God and preaches love and compassion.

A saint can also be a sufi too but all sufis are not saints (Islamically ). Some sufi's were great poets but they had little of no interest in Islamic teachings

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A Muslim is someone who attracts people to his pristine presentation of Islam…

However the difference between a Sufi and a Muslim is that, a Sufi upon seeing a rape, will try think a beautiful verse to compose to describe the beauty of this moment…

The Muslim will fearlessly attack the rapist…

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:eek:…really???

do you mean that sufi are like christian monks and nuns:D:halo:?

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sorry, that was a typo on my part. i meant “from amongst the muslims” not “amongst the muslims”

i know sufis are not respected at all by sunni muslims…but they are the most respected by the rest of the world.