Sufism Exposed.

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I have only basic knowledge of islam but i seriously believe tht barelvis people have played important role in giving bad names to sufies and also the professional peer fakeers and sufies have done the rest...

people now r educated.....when they see people go to mazaars of sufies and do all the idiotic things like chaadar charhana,kissing the grave,directly asking from sufies and the like,educated people start to hate such version of islam and unfortunately such version is very common in pakistan...

if we eliminte all those things and try to remain with in the teachings of isla,no problem will raise...i hate the atitude of both barelvis and alhe hadiths...
barelvis will go to such extent tht they will start doing kuffar and alhe hadiths will totaly refute sufism...

FRAUDIA WROTE:
^ it is a school of thought that is basically against all the things that have been added on to religion and get paraded as religion. Of course there is no one deobandi school of thought now, ppl have taken that initial thought and tried to grow it in ways that suits their interests and motives. You will find deobandi scholars who differ quite significantly on some issues, esecially the more outlandish and minutia type of things.

well u r quite right...the main problem is everyone who belongs to any madrasa starts giving fatwas and his own bayans without any degree from any well known madrasa and tht creates problems...

Mufti Rafi Usmani,the head of Darul Uloom Karachi,exactly said the same thing u mentioned...Mufti Shaheb said tht fatwa giving right should be given only to certain scholars who have complete knowledge of Islam...as if every one starts giving his fatwas,then problems will raise amazingly...as some will try to give fatwas suiting their own interests

All the well known madrasas of karachi as darul uloom,binoria,hamadia,ashraf ul madaras will co-operate to each other..and these are the most important people in pakistan representing islam...scholars of these madrasas dont have any such difference of opinion....most importantly,their believes r same...but yes,differences r there on matters like insurance and some other minor issues....

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guy1

great post, its sad to see ppl look at the mazaar worshipping and jaali snake oil salesman pirs of today and think that is what sufi way is.

Thats equivalent to someone looking at the psychos blowing up shia mosques or not allowing girls to escape from a burning bldg and say that is what sunni way is.

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Now will you go on your tirade against wahabi folk now that you learn that 'The Wahabi movement which was a source of inspiration to the 19th century Muslim reformers was really a revolt against this rigidity of the Ulema’

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http://www.naqshbandi.org/chain/names.htm
http://www.naqshbandi.org/chain/2.htm
http://www.naqshbandi.org/chain/3.htm
http://www.naqshbandi.org/chain/4.htm

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You forgot to add Neo-Sufi - Salman Ahmed to the list.

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You are one the of the reasons why incidents like Nishtar Park happens from time to time.. The fact that people put chadar on mazars and stuff is cuz they want to pay homage to great sufi saints of the subcontinent.. I would advise you non-sunnis not to test Barelvi patience any more.. If Barelvis start responding back to Deobandi attacks, Deobandis will be "band" forever..

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oh great ab sufis kay peechay par gayee...apnay kaam say kaam rakho beta..pehlay sharab peena band karo

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Syed Abduallah asks himself how much shall the sufi pandits cringe when I quote excerpts from Iqbal's 'The Development of Metaphysics In Persia' chapter on sufism!

Verily, the answer is yet unknown!

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:). Aisey sufion sei tau sufi soap behtur hei!

That reminds me of Junaid Jamshed sarcastically saying: “Pehlei Islam pheilanei kei liey wo tareeqei tau istemaal kar lo jo anbia :as: nei kiey thei!” (Why don’t you use those methods first for spreading Islam that the Prophets :as: used!) He said this in reply to Salman Ahmed saying that he uses music to spread the name of Allah.

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I haven’t read the thesis so I don’t know it says. However, the official Iqbal Academy of Pakistan says this about the thesis:

(http://www.allamaiqbal.com/poet/prose/english/poet_introdev.html)

THE DEVELOPMENT OF METAPHYSICS
IN PERSIA (1908)

Introduction
This was a thesis submitted to the University of Munich for his PhD. It was published in London in the same year. The book traces the development of metaphysics in Persia from the time of Zoroaster to Bahaullah. No similar monograph had been written in the English language before or since. Iqbal explains in his introduction that he is attempting to:

  1. Trace the logical continuity of Persian thought and interpret it in the language of modern philosophy; and
  2. Discuss Sufism in a scientific manner and explain the intellectual conditions encouraging the phenomenon. He argues that Sufism is the necessary product of the play of various intellectual and moral forces and could take the slumbering soul to a higher ideal.

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Contrary to what the sufis claim, the Sufi Tareekas have no connection to the Prophet (sas) or his companions. None of this is proven from Sunnah. Hence, it is a serious heresy. To those who insist on claiming that the tareekas are from the first generation of Islam, show us the proof from Hadith.

It is proven by the statements of the Early Imams and Scholars, that sufism is a heresy, and the tareekas are a serious from of biddah..and something that the Prophet and the companions didnt practice.

If you still insist on spreading that which is wrong and heretical, than may God help you...and may he rid you of the blindness of the heart.

Are you trying to sa..Abu Hanifa was a sufi? If so, where's your proof.

As for the rest of the folks you mentioned...yes we ignore their works.

Imam Ghazali is probably the only person who work has enough weight to be respected, but if you'd read his life history and the number of fields of studies he adopted and then rejected. He was into Speculative theology, philosophy..and he rejected all that and finally settled on sufism. Had he lived longer he might have rejected sufism too.

If thats the best that you can come up with, then i guess you should stick to Cafe.

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No problem. You seem like a young man willing to learn. Heres a link to the book in e-book form. Read the chapters on sufism and its heretic syncretism of semetic and aryan(persian and indian) ideas although Iqbal believes it to lean more towards aryan influences.
http://www.h-net.org/~bahai/diglib/books/F-J/I/Iqbal/metaphys/iqbfn.htm

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Being inclined towards Sufi teachings and following (& being bai’t in four different tareeqahs) myself, when people start connecting sufism to the idolatory practices of shrine worshipping and seeking help from other than Allah, I very much feel the same…

Perhaps, people should go and really look into the lives of people who follow sufism than just reading books written specifically against them and then looking at the practices propagated by the haters… much like what Wahabbism is facing in western media for its viewers.

In essence, Sufism is based on the system of Ba’yah which is nothing but an oath to follow Prophet:saw: and Quran… We take oath to establish salah… take care of parents, dedicate our lives to teach whatever good we know of Islam to others… Much like what Prophet:saw: took baya’h from his companions and then it followed by the baya’h of Khulaafa-e-Rashideen…

That being said, this system of baya’h made a connection tree from them.. most of them linking to Syedana Ali:razi: … like for instance, a Chishti tareeqah can be traced to Ali:razi: all the way including Imam Hasan Basari :rehm:

similarly a naqshbandi is normally traced back to Syedana Abu Bakar:razi:

Of course, people do not have to follow them and can label them whatever they want… I found enough evidence that it does exist within the boundaries of Sharia’…

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Sharaabi - Dude, dont be intimidated with the provocaters, who are asking U to stop drinking alcohol, they hardly even know U outside the circle of Gupshup.

Omair - Salman has totally lost it...:D, he should stick to drinking.

I just want to add one more thing, who are those people who do Roohani Ilaaj, are they the Sufis...??? I say we should get rid of this sector, how Abdul Wahab got rid of all the mazaars.

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Here is an excerpt from this, the beginning of Chapter V (pp 76, 77).

You should note that the

  1. The thesis is about Persian Sufism in particular.
  2. The latter part of it gives Quranic references used by the Sufis in general.
  3. Never for once has Iqbal spoken of Sufism in a negative tone in the entire thesis.

Do you agree? If not, please reply by quoting references from the text that indicate otherwise.

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… Much has been written about the origin of Persian Suifiism; and, in almost all cases, explorers of this .most interesting field of research have exercised their ingenuity in discovering the various channels through which the basic ideas of Sufiism might have travelled - from one place to another. They seem completely to have ignored the principle, that the full significance of a phenomenon in the intellectual evolution of a people, can only be comprehended in the light of those preexisting intellectual, political, and social conditions

which alone make its existence inevitable. Von Kremer and Dozy derive Persian Sufiism from the Indian Vedanta; Merx and Mr. Nicholson derive it from Neo-Platonism; while Professor Browne once regarded it as Aryan reaction against an unemotional Semitic religion. It appears to me, however, that these theories have been worked out under the influence of a notion of causation which is essentially false. That a fixed quantity A is the cause of, or produces another fixed quantity B, is a proposition which, though convenient for scientific purposes, is apt to damage all inquiry, in so far as it leads us completely to ignore the innumerable conditions lying at the back of a phenomenon. It would, for instance, be an historical ,error to say that the dissolution of the Roman Empire was due to the barbarian invasions. The statement completely ignores other forces of a different character that tended to split up the political unity of the Empire. To describe the advent of barbarian invasions as the cause of the dissolution of the Roman Empire which could have assimilated, as it actually did to a certain extent, the so-called cause, is a procedure that no logic would justify…

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Great post AQ.

Pir Sahab-

Kia zamana aa gaya hay- i have started agreeing with pir sahab
Mazahir ul uloom -Seharanpur and Dar ul uloom Deoband :slight_smile:

Sheeraz pa-jee If you dont have some thing constructive to share then do not waste your and our time :slight_smile:

Wo kia kehtay hain na-

Puppo yaar tang na ker

*Tu lang ja saadi khair hay *

Paarai larai main abdullah deewana
waghaira waghaira

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Here you go, complete with references. It even includes Imam Abdul Wahab’s appreciation of Sufism:

(http://www.crescentlife.com/spirituality/early_scholars_on_sufism.htm)

Early Scholars on Sufism

The following quotations of the scholars of Shariah regarding the precedence of the knowledge and science of Tasawwuf (Purification of the Self).

Imam Abu Hanifa (85 H. - 150 H)
“If it were not for two years, I would have perished.” He said, “for two years I accompanied Sayyidina Ja’far as-Sadiq and I acquired the spiritual knowledge that made me a gnostic in the Way.”
[Ad-Durr al-Mukhtar, vol 1. p. 43]

Imam Malik (95 H. - 179 H.)
“whoever studies Jurisprudence [tafaqaha] and didn’t study Sufism [tasawwaf] will be corrupted; and whoever studied Sufism and didn’t study Jurisprudence will become a heretic; and whoever combined both will reach the Truth.”
'Ali al-Adawi , vol. 2, p 195.]

Imam Shafi’i (150 - 205 AH.)
“I accompanied the Sufi people and I received from them three knowledges: …how to speak; how to treat people with leniency and a soft heart… and they… guided me in the ways of Sufism.”
[Kashf al-Khafa, 'Ajluni, vol. 1, p 341.]

Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal (164 - 241 AH.)
“O my son, you have to sit with the People of Sufism, because they are like a fountain of knowledge and they keep the Remembrance of Allah in their hearts. they are the ascetics and they have the most spiritual power.”
[Tanwir al-Qulub p. 405]

Imam Ghazzali (450 - 505 AH.)
“I knew verily that Sufis are the seekers in Allah’s Way, and their conduct is the best conduct, and their way is the best way, and their manners are the most sanctified. They have cleaned their hearts from other than Allah and they have made them as pathways for rivers to run receiving knowledge of the Divine Presence.”
[al-Munqidh, p. 131].

Fakhr ad-Din ar-Razi (544 - 606 AH)
“The way of Sufis for seeking Knowledge, is to disconnect themselves from this worldly life, and they keep themselves constantly busy with Dhikrullah, in all their actions and behaviors.”
'Itiqadaat Furaq al-Muslimeen, p. 72, 73]

Imam Nawawi (620 - 676 AH.)
“The specifications of the Way of the Sufis are … to keep the Presence of Allah in your heart in public and in private; to follow the Sunnah of the Prophet (s) … to be happy with what Allah gave you…”
[in his Letters, (Maqasid at-tawhid), p. 20]

Ibn Taymiyya (661 - 728 AH)
"Tasawwuf has realities and states of experience which they talk about in their science. Some of it is that the Sufi is that one who purifies himself from anything which distracts him from the remembrance of Allah and who will be so filled up with knowledge of the heart and knowledge of the mind to the point that the value of gold and stones will be the same to him. And Tasawwuf is safeguarding the precious meanings and leaving behind the call to fame and vanity in order to reach the state of Truthfulness, because the best of humans after the prophets are the Siddiqeen, as Allah mentioned them in the verse:
“(And all who obey Allah and the Apostle) are in the company of those on whom is the grace of Allah: of the prophets, the sincere lovers of truth, the martyrs and the righteous; Ah! what a beautiful fellowship.” (an-Nisa’, 69,70)

"…some people criticised Sufiyya and Tasawwuf and they said they were innovators, out of the Sunnah, but the truth is they are striving in Allah’s obedience [mujtahidin fi ta’at-illahi], as others of Allah’s People strove in Allah’s obedience. So from them you will find the Foremost in Nearness by virtue of his striving [as-saabiq ul-muqarrab bi hasab ijtihadihi]. And some of them are from the People of the Right hand [Ahl al-Yameen mentioned in Qur’an in Sura Waqi’ah], but slower in their progress… And this is the origin of Tasawwuf. And after that origin, it has been spread and [tasha’abat wa tanawa’at] has its main line and its branches.
[Majmu’a Fatawa Ibn Taymiyya al-Kubra, Vol. 11, Book of Tasawwuf, p. 497].

“The miracles of saints are absolutely true and correct, by the acceptance of all Muslim scholars. And the Qur’an has pointed to it in different places, and the Hadith of the Prophet (s) has mentioned it, and whoever denies the miraculous power of saints are only people who are innovators and their followers.” [al-Mukhtasar al-Fatawa, page 603]. Ibn Taymiyya says, “what is considered as a miracle for a saint is that sometimes the saint might hear something that others do not hear and they might see something that others do not see, while not in a sleeping state, but in a wakened state of vision. And he can know something that others cannot know, through revelation or inspiration.”
[Majmu’a Fatawi Ibn Taymiyya, Vol. 11, p. 314].

Ibn Khaldun (733 - 808 AH.)
“The way of the Sufis is the way of the Salaf, the preceding Scholars between the Sahaba and Tabi’een of those who followed good guidance…”
[Muqaddimat ibn al-Khaldun, p. 328]

Tajuddin as-Subki (727 - 771 AH.)
“May Allah praise them [the Sufis] and greet them and may Allah cause us to be with them in Paradise. Too many things havebeen said about them and too many ignorant people have said things which are not related to them. And the truth is that those people left the world and were busy with worship. …They are the People of Allah, whose supplications and prayer Allah accepts and by means of whom Allah supports human beings”
[Mu’eed an-Na’am p. 190, the chapter entitled Tasawwuf]

Jalaluddin as-Suyuti (849 - 911 AH.)
“At-Tasawwuf in itself is the best and most honorable knowledge. It explains how to follow the Sunnah of the Prophet (s) and to put aside innovation.”
[Ta’yid al-Haqiqat al-'Aliyya,p 57]

Ibn Qayyim (691 - 751 AH.)
"We can witness the greatness of the People of Sufism, in the eyes of the earliest generations of Muslims by what has been mentioned by Sufyan ath-Thawri (d. 161 AH), one of the greatest imams of the second century and one of the foremost legal scholars. He said, “If it had not been for Abu Hisham as-Sufi (d. 115) I would never have perceived the action of the subtlest forms of hypocrisy in the self… Among the best of people is the Sufi learned in jurisprudence.”
[Manazil as-Sa’ireen.]

Abdullah ibn Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhab (1115 - 1201 AH.)
“My father Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhab and I do not deny or criticize the science of Sufism, but on the contrary we support it, because it purifies the external and the internal of the hidden sins, which are related to the heart and to the outward form. Even though the individual might externally be on the right way, internally he might be on the wrong way. Sufism is necessary to correct it.”
[ad-Dia’at mukathaffa did ash-shaykh ibn Abdul Wahhab, p. 85]

Ibn 'Abidin (1198 - 1252 AH.)
“The Seekers in this Sufi Way don’t hear except from the Divine Presence and they don’t love any but Him. If they remember Him they cry, and if they thank Him they are happy; … May Allah bless them.”
[Risa’il Ibn 'Abidin p. 172 & 173]

Muhammad 'Abduh (1265 - 1323 AH.)
“Tasawwuf appeared in the first century of Islam and it received a tremendous honor. It purified the self and straightened the conduct and gave knowledge to people from the Wisdom and Secrets of the Divine Presence.”
[Majallat al-Muslim, 6th ed. 1378 H, p. 24].

Maulana Abul Hasan 'Ali an-Nadawi (1331 AH b.)
"These Sufis were initiating people on Oneness and sincerity in following the Sunnah of the Prophet (s) and to repent from their sins and to be away from every disobedience of Allah 'Azza wa Jall. Their guides were encouraging them to move in the way of perfect Love to Allah 'Azza wa Jall.
"…In Calcutta India, everyday more than 1000 people were taking initiation into Sufism. “…by the influence of these Sufi people, thousands and thousands and hundreds of thousands in India found their Lord and reached a state of Perfection through the Islamic religion.”
[Muslims in India, p. 140-146]

Maulana Abul ‘Ala Maudoodi (1321 - 1399 AH.)
“Sufism is a reality whose signs are the love of Allah and the love of the Prophet (saw), where one absents oneself for their sake, and one is annihilated from anything other than them, and it is to know how to follow the footsteps of the Prophet (s). ..Tasawwuf searched for the sincerity in the heart and the purity in the intention and the trustworthiness in obedience in an individual’s actions.”
"The Divine Law and Sufism: “Sufism and Shariah: what is the similitude of the two? They are like the body and the soul. The body is the external knowledge, the Divine Law, and the spirit is the internal knowledge.”
[Mabadi’ al-Islam, p. 17]

In sum, Sufism, in the present, as in the past, is the effective means for spreading the reality of Islam, extending the knowledge and understanding of spirituality and fostering happiness and peace. With it, Muslims can improve, transform, and elevate themselves and find salvation from the ignorance of this world and the misguided pursuit of some materialistic fantasy.

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None of what?

1-Taking bayah other then islam and jihad?
2-Those sufi terminologies which are not treated as ibadah?

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One of the biggest lies and accusations against Ahl-e-Sunnah wal Jamaah is that they call others as kafirs…

:naooz:, unless the outward manifestation and declaration is uttered by someone which totally goes against the Quran and Sunnah, noone can be declared a Kafir…

The points highlighted by Sharaabi are merely beliefs that Sufis hold and he has brought them forth…Now, as a Muslim, it is your job to weigh those actions against the Quran and Sunnah…If you find such attributes in Islam, then by all means, practice Sufism, if not, then as a Muslim it your duty to throw them in the trash…

There is no verdict, no sentence, no judgement…The facts have been laid before you, it is up to you to decide…

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Allahamdullillaah again.