Whatever you guys may think their motives, the MQM has taken a immediate and clear stand against the Taliban. Something that PPP, PML-N failed to do over the last two decades and with their inaction created this problem.
I dont think it will be a protracted war in Malakand, the fighters will be flushed into FATA and then maybe a peace deal to let them have their way over there when the proper NWFP area is back under federal control.
Wine : it wont take two decades, this is not the first time it has happened. There was jihad to create a totalitarian Islamic state in the time of Ranjit Singh as well, and it was defeated with the help of local pashtuns.
Thats because the MQM is in Karachi, VERY VERY far away from SWAT etc, and has nothing to do with it. We all know that the drama in Karachi is just a hoax to get rid of the Pakhtuns living there. Lets see if they let any Swat/Waziristan refugees into the city of Karachi.
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the drama in karachi is NOT a hoax or an inter-provincial immigration issue. remember when army had most of its issues in fata, swat was simmering like karachi is simmering now.
fata
swat
karachi
balochistan
afghanistan/usa
india
pakistan is looking like its gona spill a lot of blood.
It is strange to read some of the letters. firstly we were in full praise for Talibans at least in some hidden ways out of our duty for our religion, now they all are termed as Indians, or being funded by India or America. why do we change our colours so soon. Can someone tell us what do the foreign powers have to do with Sharia, but our latent support in our hearts have made talibans acceptable. We must change our inner psyches, do we want to regress to thousand years back to Arab nomadic culture or want to remain in synch with the rich culture of our land. but most of us are fundamentalists by heart, we can't question the rituals or practices of our religion as interpreted by talibans. For us these blackmailers of our religious sentiments are acceptable. The minute we feel uncomfortable we lable them as supported by foreign powers.
It is strange to read some of the letters. firstly we were in full praise for Talibans at least in some hidden ways out of our duty for our religion, now they all are termed as Indians, or being funded by India or America. why do we change our colours so soon. Can someone tell us what do the foreign powers have to do with Sharia, but our latent support in our hearts have made talibans acceptable. We must change our inner psyches, do we want to regress to thousand years back to Arab nomadic culture or want to remain in synch with the rich culture of our land. but most of us are fundamentalists by heart, we can't question the rituals or practices of our religion as interpreted by talibans. For us these blackmailers of our religious sentiments are acceptable. The minute we feel uncomfortable we lable them as supported by foreign powers.
i dont know, perhaps the question we need to ask is why does sharaih law equate to arab culture?or nomad life style? one would think the shariah was only applicable for muslims living in arabian peninsula. We all believe our Prophet pbuh was Arab but do we know that all things left by him to us are only applicable if we are arabs? i wonder why that is. I wonder why we cannot try to understand shariah before equating it so absurdly with cultural practices.
i wonder why that is. I wonder why we cannot try to understand shariah before equating it so absurdly with cultural practices.
Answer to you question is very simple. Sharia was much easier to implement in Prophet's (SAW) times than now. Back then Muslims were not divided into sects and groups, and were more or less were homogeneous and agreed on basic principles of Sharia. That is not the case anymore.
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^ but then there is a question that begs to be asked, didnt Alalh and Prophet pbuh know there would be sects? why didnt they then they gave a substitute of shariah? besides i find this argument disconcerting because we live in a country where almost every ruler has a go at constitute, saying we have difference of opinion in shariah implies as if current system isn't ambivalent. i think i wider debate needs to be held on this topic in pakistan. people need to make up their mind on this. we have one set of population that simply appears to believe shariah is not applicable today and another that wants it. status quo is clearly not working for every one.
^ but then there is a question that begs to be asked, didnt Alalh and Prophet pbuh know there would be sects?
Allah knows all, but my question to you is there are something like 60 Muslims countries. How many of them have Sharia based systems? Few days back Swat Taliban declared that that Saudi and Iranian systems are not based on Sharia, but Taliban in Afghanistan had Sharia based system. Who do you think is correct?
My personal opinion is that world has moved on and countries like ours with divers population, where we can't even agree on dinner menu, let alone define rules, cannot be run by divine rules.
Therefore, we should create system where we make it possible for everyone to live and prosper and participate...and at the same time respect each others faith & beliefs w/o arguing and fighting.
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^ i donot agree with your perspective. Just because 60 other countries arent doing it doesnt make it outdated. Very few muslim countries could be considered financially stable and economical independant as well. should we take it to mean that it isnt possible to be self sufficient economy any more?
I donot think we will ever progress without implementing shariah and our history seems to reinforce the idea. Really we have make a mockery out of constitute so i donot see why the sects should keep us from developing a state based on divine rules.However i do think pakistanis need to take this matter and think on it actively. In implementing shariah you cannot say 100% correction but keep your options open, mistakes arent harram, insisting on them is.
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^^^ you're putting words in my mouth. As as I said in my previous post, we are not a homogeneous society unlike in early days of Islam, but very diverse country with many different sects. So tell me, how exactly are you planning to make everyone agree to let say your version of Sharia?...of course I mean w/o physically exterminating people who disagree with you.
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^ would you give me an instance where i was putting words in your mouth?
there are many broad points that most sects agree with. finer points could be arranged with concessions made or to remedy it you can lean on democratic vote. you could consult with scholars, establish a court and hearing to disucss the points of disagreement but without ever giving it a try, we will never know. As muslims we donot have an option on the matter.
^ would you give me an instance where i was putting words in your mouth?
You implied that I said that Shaira was outdated. I never said that.
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But if its divine rule to me, why should I make concession to you? I mean is that not giving up on my faith and rewriting my belief so I could accommodate you? I also want to remind you that Sufi M has declared voting and democratic system as un-Islamic.
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you could consult with scholars, establish a court and hearing to disucss the points of disagreement but without ever giving it a try, we will never know. As muslims we donot have an option on the matter.
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Yes, we do. We can follow examples of countries like Malaysia. Eliminate corruption & create system that accommodates everyone...where you can live by Sharia, but if your neighbor does't want to follow sharia he dosen't have to.
*You implied that I said that Shaira was outdated. I never said that.
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will isnt it what you are saying, that it isnt applicable today?
**But if its divine rule to me, why should I make concession to you? I mean is that not giving up on my faith and rewriting my belief so I could accommodate you? I also want to remind you that Sufi M has declared voting and democratic system as un-Islamic.
**hmm sufi M isnt the only one who will be choice if the shariah is to be considered. Dont we have any alims in pakistan that we cosnider authority on deen? difference of opinion has always occured since the time of shaba, it didnt stop them from following shariah.
Yes, we do. We can follow examples of countries like Malaysia. Eliminate corruption & create system that accommodates everyone...where you can live by Sharia, but if your neighbor does't want to follow sharia he dosen't have to.
or we can produce an example by building an islamic state?
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now its time for SUFI M to go hes just a sufi soap this muhammad doesnt look good with him ... Muhammad P B U H was our prophet the most beautiful and loved person in the world and this sufi will never be like him ... that person is only a sufi and thats all making muslims fight muslims ... while people make fun of us :(
Dawn reported this his son worked as a teacher in a government run school and had no history of involvement in his father’s activities.
ISPR says that his son was a militant.
The truth will probably never be known. Was he really as peaceful as his colleagues claim? Or are his colleagues spinning the story to generate sympathy against the government? If he did go and become involved in militancy, was it voluntarily or reluctantly feeling honour-bound to fight alongside old comrades or family?
Kifayatullah, according to his family sources, had gone to Darro to evacuate his in-laws who were trapped there. Kifayatullah, the eldest son of Sufi Mohammad, had been teaching Arabic in a government school for 21 years.
His colleagues in the education department told Dawn that he had nothing to do with the TNSM or the Taliban.
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Jang reports ISPR saying he was a militant and one 10 killed.
The Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR) said they killed 10 militants in clashes, including Kifayatullah. “In an attempt to eliminate and flush out the militants from the area, FC launched an attack in early morning today (Thursday). During exchange of fire, 10 militants, including Kifayatullah, son of Sufi Muhammad, were killed,” it said in a statement.
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