Sufi Muhammad: There is no room for democracy in Islam

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So, can someone tell me why democracy is unislamic? I think bad democracy is better than good sharia based Islamic system…especially one the that was implemented in Afghanistan under Taliban.

Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan

TNSM chief sets 4-day deadline for establishing Darul Qaza:
Apex courts are un-Islamic: Sufi
** Cleric says no room for democracy in Islam

  • Tells government to withdraw judges from Malakand*

MINGORA: Swat cleric Sufi Muhammad, who played a central role in the imposition of the Nizam-e-Adl Regulation in the valley, declared on Sunday that the country’s superior courts were un-Islamic and could not hear appeals against decisions of the newly set up qazi courts.

“There is no room for democracy in Islam,” said Sufi, the chief of the banned Tehreek-e-Nifaz-e-Shariat-e-Muhammadi (TNSM), while addressing a gathering in the central Grassy Ground in the main Swat town of Mingora.

Western democracy was a “system of infidels” and had divided the clerics and the people of Pakistan into factions, he said, and the Supreme Court and the high courts were strengthening the system.

The TNSM chief told the government to withdraw all judges from Malakand division – including from Kohistan district – within four days and set up a Darul Qaza to hear appeals against the decisions of qazi courts.

He also demanded the appointment of qazis at the district and tehsil levels throughout the division.

“The government will be responsible for all the consequences if our demands are not implemented,” he warned.

Sufi said he had been forced repeatedly to approve of democracy when he was in detention, but he did not agree.

The cleric said the Islamic system was yet to be established in the world because the world belonged to God, and that the existing laws were unacceptable.

He said it was impossible to implement the Nizam-e-Adl – promulgated on Wednesday following a nod from the president and the National Assembly – without support from the army and the police.

Stringent security arrangements had been made for the public meeting, with 300 TNSM operatives encircling the site. ghulam farooq/daily times monitor

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Sharia-based governance system (khilafa) is better, but for that you need Muslims by actions, not by words.What Taliban did in Afghanistan was not really a 'khilafa'. You can't take Afghanistani Taliban's govt as "Islamic/Sharia-based".

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All though not relevant to the topic under discussion.. but i was just wondering, Between Fazalullah and Sufi Mohammad, who will try to run in Burqa???

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I doubt that. Any state that is run by religious decree by definition is tyrannical especially in which people do not have choice to select their leaders.

BTW, with an exception of Prophet's time, there has never been any stable Islamic based system ever even going all the way back to Khulafa-e-Rashideen era. Even then there were political assassinations like that of Hazrat Omar & the whole shia/sunni rift.

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If sharia based on the teachings of Qur'an and Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) can provide justice to the people then who gives a damn about democracy. The most important thing is to provide justice.

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I don't want to argue how/what good Islamic governance and selection of governor can be. I'd only like to request to ignore comments made by morons like Fazlullah, Sufi, Mehsud etc. We all know how religious they are and how good their version of Islam is. Don't give attention to attention-wh0rs.

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Umm... I think you need to learn more about true Islamic Sharia or Khilafah as mentioned by the other fellow. Your concepts seem to be wrong about that.

In Islamic Sharia, people do have the choice to select the leader. Not only that people also have the right to critic their leaders.
Not sure if you know or no about the event when the Khalifah umar was publically questioned about why did he got cloth fitted to his length when the actual cloth which every one got was not enogh to fit him.

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Dear male members of the Ummah, greetings from Islamabad.

The Ummah has woken up at last. I am very pleased to inform that the writ of the state is now firmly established. I mean the writ of the state of Swat over Islamabad. We have no quarrels with the west, as long as it submits to flogging. We will welcome international assistance in the area of flogging.

The personnel of various research institutes such as Playboy Inc., in the US including floggers, slappers and cross dressers will be welcome as long as they are ready to convert to the True Faith and to male sex. After a little training, they can be appointed as judges of the High Court. Flogging should not be unnecessarily maligned. In expert hands it can be fun.

The issue of Chand Bibi has been blown out of proportion. There are various issues which require attention. Firstly, the video was obviously a fake and planted by the Americans to scuttle the Nizam e Adal. Second, the flogging was technically flawed, I would have flogged her in the upright position, according to the dictates of Sharia. Third, she should have been stoned to death and flogging was an error of judgment. Fourth Chand Bibi does not exist. Lastly, we should not talk about it. We should talk about the future.

The future obviously lies in beheading and shooting in the head. In the hue and cry about Chand Bibi, people have overlooked the other glorious achievement of the writ of the state: The shooting in the head of the female NGO workers in Mansehra. I congratulate the operatives of the Grand Shoora on there accuracy, professionalism and dedication to the rule of law.

Democracy is dangerous. It is a western concept and does not belong to the land of the True Faith. It leads to corruption, sedition, terror and unrest. The faithful should be protected against this by all means possible. Sovereignty belongs to God. God tells us that the state should be run by pious men. Men who are good at flogging; who wear their hair long and their trousers short. Only they can establish the writ of the state and the rule of law.

We do not need lawyers. We do not need civil judges. They should retrain as executioners. They could retrain as truck drivers or drug traffickers. Trade is allowed in the True Faith. We do not need sharp tongued advocates with law degrees. We need pious men with sharp swords and cracking whips. We need speedy justice. We need Toyota Hiace. We need Kalashnikovs.

The task at hand is to eliminate the injustice in the society by supporting the Nizam e Adal regulation. It should be applied equally without regard for social position and privilege. The day is not far off when the daughters of the rich as well the daughters of the poor will be flogged side by side without discrimination, judiciously, accurately and in the upright position.

Maulana SM

Chief Justice of Swat and Pakistan

Emir of the Faithful

Caliph of God

By: Hakim Hazik

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^^^ it would be funny if it wasn't so true & sad. :(

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u mean to tell me that garbage is real and not a joke? :eek:

just me own views..

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Sufi’s statement against democracy his personal view: Kaira

Urges media to keep national interest supreme

        Tuesday, April 21, 2009

ISLAMABAD: Information Minister Qamar Zaman Kaira said on Monday that the media should keep the national interests supreme while using its right to the freedom of expression and broadcasting comments of certain individuals.

Talking to a TV channel, the minister said the government adhered to its commitment to the freedom of expression, but it was the responsibility of the media also to evolve a code of conduct for itself.

The minister said the country was passing through a critical period of its history and all the stakeholders were expected to play a positive role. He said that after the acceptance of the Tehrik Nifaz Shariat-e-Muhammadi’s demand to impose the Nizam-e-Adl in the Malakand division, Maulana Sufi Muhammad was expected to remain within the framework of the agreement. “However, if he has uttered some words against democracy, it is his personal view and may be the view of his followers in limited areas,” he added.

He said an overwhelming majority in Pakistan supported democracy and had been struggling hard for it. The minister said President Asif Ali Zardari was earlier criticised by certain quarters for delaying signing the Nizam-e-Adl Regulation.

“The president’s reservations were genuine that no agreement can yield the desired results, unless the law and order situation is brought under control,” he said. He said the Nizam-e-Adl had been signed with consensus and all the stakeholders should demonstrate wisdom now and avoid indulging in unnecessary debates, because it could create uncertainty in the country.

Kaira said it was an internationally accepted view that democracy was the best system to run state affairs. Replying to a question, he said it was envisaged in the Constitution that no legisla-tion would be made in the country violating the Islamic teachings.

The minister said no individual had the right to meddle in the functioning of the State and its institutions working in line with the Constitution. He said maintaining law and order was the responsibility of provincial governments and it was under the request of a provincial government that the federal government approved the Nizam-e-Adl Regulation. He said the regulation was signed to enable the provincial government to maintain law and order.

Sufi’s statement against democracy his personal view: Kaira

Freedom of expression or allowing anti-state remarks?

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Qamar Zaman Kaira does not realize that Sufi's personal remarks carry the weight of law through fear of beheading. The Pakistani government may be able to fool some die hard righter wingers, but the majority of sane pakisatnis can see through the shame this surredner really is.

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and no room for flingstones in pakistan

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There is no room of Sufi in Islam. Period.