'"Substandard" pitches used to thwart India's formidable batting lineup' - NZ MEDIA

Nakhreywali, Question & Co., just so you know this is New Zealand Media speaking.

New Zealand media slams ‘substandard’ pitches
Even as the New Zealand team celebrated its first-ever 2-0 Test series win against India, the “substandard” pitches came under criticism from the media.

The formidable Indian batting line-up could manage just 507 runs from four innings in the series, but The New Zealand Herald suggested that it reflected more on the host team’s “desire to play on wickets that would not so much advantage themselves, but disadvantage the opposition”.

“Never mind that the Sachin Tendulkars and Rahul Dravids of this world have previously made cannon-fodder of bowlers such as Glenn McGrath and Jason Gillespie. They apparently have no clue about how to handle Daryl Tuffey and Jacob Oram, or for that matter Nathan Astle’s slow mediums,” Richard Boock wrote in the paper.

He said, "It was not so much a Test match as a low-grade farce. It was apparent from the day India arrived that all stops were being pulled to ensure their batsmen played on the most difficult surfaces possible.

“The lasting impression from this Test series will be the substandard pitches that India were forced to bat on and the subsequent drop-off in the quality of cricket. It was almost more of a comedy than a cricket Test; a slapstick type of performance that set all sorts of records for all the wrong reasons.”

The Daily News said rains had made the bad pitches worse.

“In terms of quality, it was poor advertisement for cricket. Pitch conditions were stacked in the seam bowler’s favour after pre-Test rain juiced it up,” it wrote.

The second Test finished under two days of playing time, the third shortest match in New Zealand after the 1945-46 loss to Australia in Wellington and 1983-84 win over England in Christchurch.

It was the first time in the history of Test cricket that a team scoring less than 100 runs had managed a first innings lead and the first time since 1980-81 that a Test had finished without anyone scoring a 50.

“While the result helped maintain the home side’s world number three ranking in Test cricket and gave it four wins from eight Tests in 2002, the juicy, sometimes unplayable, surface irked both sides,” said the Otago Daily Times, published from Dunedin.

Even New Zealand captain Stephen Fleming confessed that the pitch condition took some gloss off his team’s victory.

“You enjoy when you win but you don’t enjoy the feelings throughout. There were too many good batsmen here to say that the wicket wasn’t at fault,” he said.

However, Hamilton groundsman Doug Strachan defended his wicket. Referring to the Indians’ displeasure over the pitch being watered just days before the Test, Strachan said it was something the Niake clay-based wicket required.

He said, “To get it [to] bounce really well, the wicket has to get wet. If we go in dry, its going to be like its been in the past – a bowler’s nightmare.”

some 1 can you provide the link please.

Remember the NZ batsmen also batted on the same "substandard pitches". The NZ batsmen handled it much better then their Indian counterparts. Having said that the pitches must be underprepared to some extent that the results were possible in a very short time.

Ehsan, the point is that India’s superiority over New Zealand lay in the batting department. By playing on a sub standard pitch , New Zealand sought to nullify that edge which India had… Once this was done… both teams became more or less equal and the result of the test match depended more on luck than anything else like who won the toss etc.. plus the New Zealanders were playing at home and did not need to accustom themselves to other conditions a fact that might have helped them bat out the Indians…

As for the links , here you go :

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sports/sportsstorydisplay.cfm?storyID=3048413&thesection=sport&thesubsection=cricket&thesecondsubsection=blackcaps

The above piece however is from :

Isn’t that the point of competition? :confused:

What point are you talking about… that a home team can prepare a “substandard” pitch so as to level the edge enjoyed by the visiting team…

But remember its the NZ media saying it not me as a “partial” Indian…

Interesting read from the New Zealand Daily News Web Site (Link above) :

It is hard to think of a more disappointing test cricket series at home in recent times than the just completed one against India.

For New Zealand to beat India 2-0 would normally be the recipe for wild scenes of elation around the country and particularly in the Black Caps' dressing room.

However, captain Stephen Fleming's new initiative that media are welcome in the dressing room after each test only reinforced what a hollow series win this was.

The music was on but no one was singing and the players at best wore a contented look after a successful run chase.

Nathan Astle, Shane Bond and Jacob Oram talked quietly together on one couch, Daniel Vettori sat alone on another speaking to a reporter about the frustration of not being required to bowl a ball in either test and the hope that Fleming would come up with an explanation before they left the shed.

Down the far end Scott Styris was emotional for all the wrong reasons, having been told minutes earlier that he had missed the cut for the one-day side.
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The issue here is New Zealand didn't beat India in anywhere near a fair contest and the players realised the standard of cricket over the past two weeks was diabolical due to the prevailing pitch conditions at the Basin Reserve, but more so in the second test in Hamilton.**

Yes its up to the home team to prepare any type of pitches. The same as when other teams tour India and they prepare the pitches to suit their batsmen. Isn’t it funny that India can beat top teams in their backyard but when it comes to play abroad they chicken out :slight_smile:

NZ media is slaming NZ for preparing the pitches to suit their batsmen, they are not crying over India losing the series 2-0 which they have been dong for the last 17 years. If it were the pitches then I guess for the last 17 years every country India tours prepare the pitches so that Indians failed to win a test match :hehe: yeah right

:hehe: hahahaa man my my my

some1 actually came up with some news reporting that favours India after a week of day-night browsing :). Becharey ko baree mehnat kernee paree 1 week tak. tch tch tch. some1 did you actually took vacations from your work to do this ? :slight_smile:

Well no one was denying that pitch was “bowlers friendly”. But NZ played on same pitch and won the matches despite that NZ batting lineup was not stuffed with STARS .

Now do you want me to post like around 10,15,20 as many as you say number of articals from news and media that actually bash and criticized Indian STARS more than anything else including Pitches.

Here are few for example

well the question is whether it ever happend (help me out since i don't know that much about the past in this regard) that all the critics from Media about the pitch preparation/condition made a cricket board/groundsmen change their plans/tactics ???

Nevertheless about the NZ vs. IND test series i think the team which used the conditions SLIGHTLY better won the match .... so it doesn't matter which one is the better team on paper but on the scorecard ....

last year NZ made Aussies toil hard to save the series in their own backyard ....

If it goes on like the 1st 1dayer than i think a series win is pretty open to every team .... may the better team win

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Yes its up to the home team to prepare any type of pitches. The same as when other teams tour India and they prepare the pitches to suit their batsmen. Isn't it funny that India can beat top teams in their backyard but when it comes to play abroad they chicken out :)

I agree with Question.. Ever heard of the home ground advantage Some1. South Africa, Australia, England, they all don’t fare well on spinning pitches. India always makes those pitches in home series, cause it suits them better. When someone else does the same thing the damn Indians find something to whine about.

Quit whining and have some sportsmanship, you lose sometimes and you win sometimes
No matter what way the pitches are prepared, you call yourself the best batting lineup in the world your batsman should do better than the opposition.

Waqar prepared pitch which suited his team but Aussie bowlers adopted the conditions and bowled better than Pakistan.

Is it too much to ask from my Paki friends to understand a basic thing... that there is a difference between preparing a pitch suited to the home side and preparing a "substandard" pitch. (If you think there is no difference, Pakistan should dig the pitch when Australia visit them next :))
Even NZ captain, Stephen Fleming said after the one day match yesterday that the pitch was again not upto the mark and that both team found it extremely difficult to bat on it.

Now,before some smart dude tells me "but it was the same pitch for NZ also"... note this...NZ has hardly outperformed India in the batting dept in this series. Even yesterday they were 54/6 at one point. They have just been scraping through to victories. I would attribute their victories so far in the series to luck, winning the toss when it mattered and playing in the comfort of familiar settings but it has mostly been luck. Almost all of these matches that NZ won could have gone either way.

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Is it too much to ask from my Paki friends to understand a basic thing... that there is a difference between preparing a pitch suited to the home side and preparing a "substandard" pitch. (If you think there is no difference, Pakistan should dig the pitch when Australia visit them next :))
Even NZ captain, Stephen Fleming said after the one day match yesterday that the pitch was again not upto the mark and that both team found it extremely difficult to bat on it.

Now,before some smart dude tells me "but it was the same pitch for NZ also"... note this...NZ has hardly outperformed India in the batting dept in this series. Even yesterday they were 54/6 at one point. They have just been scraping through to victories. I would attribute their victories so far in the series to luck, winning the toss when it mattered and playing in the comfort of familiar settings but it has mostly been luck. Almost all of these matches that NZ won could have gone either way.
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Is it too much to ask from my Paki friends to understand a basic thing... that there is a difference between preparing a pitch suited to the home side and preparing a "substandard" pitch. (If you think there is no difference, Pakistan should dig the pitch when Australia visit them next :))
Even NZ captain, Stephen Fleming said after the one day match yesterday that the pitch was again not upto the mark and that both team found it extremely difficult to bat on it.

Now,before some smart dude tells me "but it was the same pitch for NZ also"... note this...NZ has hardly outperformed India in the batting dept in this series. Even yesterday they were 54/6 at one point. They have just been scraping through to victories. I would attribute their victories so far in the series to luck, winning the toss when it mattered and playing in the comfort of familiar settings but it has mostly been luck. Almost all of these matches that NZ won could have gone either way.
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Your point is taken some1. However you also have to agree that "on the same pitch" either the NZ bowlers or batsmen adapted better then the Indians in order to win three times in a row. Maybe the Indians will regroup and come back fighting in the remaining matches but so far the NZ team has outwitted the Indians, and yes the pitch is the same for both the teams. As for your point that NZ has hardly outperformed India, is true but then in such close matches that is what happens.

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Is it too much to ask from my Paki friends to understand a basic thing... that there is a difference between preparing a pitch suited to the home side and preparing a "substandard" pitch. (If you think there is no difference, Pakistan should dig the pitch when Australia visit them next :))
Even NZ captain, Stephen Fleming said after the one day match yesterday that the pitch was again not upto the mark and that both team found it extremely difficult to bat on it.

Now,before some smart dude tells me "but it was the same pitch for NZ also"... note this...NZ has hardly outperformed India in the batting dept in this series. Even yesterday they were 54/6 at one point. They have just been scraping through to victories. I would attribute their victories so far in the series to luck, winning the toss when it mattered and playing in the comfort of familiar settings but it has mostly been luck. Almost all of these matches that NZ won could have gone either way.
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Just 2 points.

1- NZ played better than India and thats why they won. No matter it was sub standard pitches or over standard. I know cricket is by chance but getting out 4 times in 2 matches its too much a ask for "luck". Part of the blame for sure goes to batsmen. Oram batted better than ANY other regular batsmen (both from India and NZ side)

2- Your words "...NZ has hardly outperformed India in the batting dept in this series...". Shouldnt this be OTHERWAY ROUND ? Suppose pitch is good and Indian Batsmen can perform 100% better than NZ batsmen then even on bad pitches percentage should remain the same. Indian batsmen SHOULD also perform 100% better than NZ. Oh by they way thats just because they re out of the world :)

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Is it too much to ask from my Paki friends to understand a basic thing... that there is a difference between preparing a pitch suited to the home side and preparing a "substandard" pitch.
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The problem is, when our team is losing we know its our players that our not performing well. But when India starts loosing, the Indians want to find every excuse in the world to blame it on something. The pitch was bad, substandard, the umpiring sucked, the conditiond were not suitable. Its like comeon get a life. Its a game one team has to win and the better team wins.

Agreed guys.No one is taking it away from NZL.They played better than Indian and WON.

But those who were blaming Indian pathetic batting lineup for all are absolutely wrong.
You will call a a team batting pathetically when you see that in same match opposing team performs brilliantly and other team struggles and difference in score is huge.such example will be..
http://www-usa.cricket.org/link_to_database/NEW/LIVE/frames/PAK_RSA_T1_26-30DEC2002.html
and
http://www-usa.cricket.org/link_to_database/ARCHIVE/2002-03/AUS_IN_PAK/SCORECARDS/AUS_PAK_T2_11-15OCT2002.html
There is a difference between a pathetic batting and having a bad wicket.A bad wicket is that where both team struggles to score and finally the team which holds its nerves scapes narrowly to win.This was the case in case in India vs NZL.Example
http://www-usa.cricket.org/link_to_database/ARCHIVE/2002-03/IND_IN_NZ/SCORECARDS/IND_NZ_T2_19-23DEC2002.html

http://www-usa.cricket.org/link_to_database/ARCHIVE/2002-03/IND_IN_NZ/SCORECARDS/IND_NZ_ODI1_26DEC2002.html

Those who were crediting failure of India only to Indian batting lineup were simply jealous of Indian batting lineup and looking for an excuse to blame them.Even Felming has gone on record to say that Wicket was substandard.

Not quite correct. The scores were close between NZ and the indians but then look at the batsmen in the indian line up and NZ line up, that why it is called pathetic. indian batting line up is studded with stars where as NZ line up is of mediocre batsmen with maybe only one or two stars. The bottom line is that the NZ line up showed up the indian stars badly. As for SA V Pak which you are so keen to show above, the SA batting line up is much better then Pak’s and at least we admit to it unlike you who refuse even to post to the thread once NZ beat your team. Time to grow up mate.

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Not quite correct. The scores were close between NZ and the indians but then look at the batsmen in the indian line up and NZ line up, that why it is called pathetic. indian batting line up is studded with stars where as NZ line up is of mediocre batsmen with maybe only one or two stars. The bottom line is that the NZ line up showed up the indian stars badly. As for SA V Pak which you are so keen to show above, the SA batting line up is much better then Pak's and at least we admit to it unlike you who refuse even to post to the thread once NZ beat your team. Time to grow up mate.
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ok... lets assume that what you are saying is correct.I can also explain same thing saying that our bowling sucks and we didnt have good bowlers to exploit the condition the way they did...

Anyway..dont you guys say that you have the best bowling lineup in world.. How could you explain a Team making 350 and another one making 120/8 on same wicket....

Looks like you not only have pathetic batting lineup even your bowling sucks.......

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ok... lets assume that what you are saying is correct.I can also explain same thing saying that our bowling sucks and we didnt have good bowlers to exploit the condition the way they did...

Anyway..dont you guys say that you have the best bowling lineup in world.. How could you explain a Team making 350 and another one making 120/8 on same wicket....

Looks like you not only have pathetic batting lineup even your bowling sucks.......
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i thought it's said: Pak bowling lineup is one of the best in the world (especially in comparison with the attacks of ENG, WI, ZIM, SL, India and NZ) but not THE best coz this lonely place is claimed by the mighty Aussies and quite rightly so ....

Why not send our players (both IND & PAK)to Aus to let them play one year of their first class cricket ..... u'll see how far behind we are when it comes to esteblish the very basics of this game ....

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