struggling between morality

How do you distinguish between morals set by religion and morals set by society/yourself. I’m struggling between morals set by myself and the so called morals I hear set by religion. I feel like an outcast in my own religion. I feel like I have a different Allah than other Muslims. I disagree with so much of what some Muslims have to say about our religion, morals, or Allah swt. I believe in Allah, I believe in Prophet Muhammad pbuh, but I don’t agree with what people have to say about our religion, or the ways of following it. Does that make me a non Muslim? A lot of mullah type religious people have told me that I follow a religion set by myself not Allah swt, and it breaks my heart being an outcast. Do morals set by me make me a non-muslim?

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There are very basic, and universal values which we all ascribe to. Such values are inherent and obvious to all, as well as logical. Such values permeate the core of most religions as well. This makes sense, since as creations of the all mighty we were endowed with same values that were dictated in our holy books, for us the Koran.
My belief is that if what you are hearing contradicts this core value system we all have, its probably not the right interpretation. For example, we all know instinctively that murder of innocents is illegal. So if you hear a Mullah or a self professed Islamic theologian trying to justify it in any way, and you are still not comfortable with it, as it goes against our instinct, its probably not valid or in concordance with the precepts of Islam.

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Peace lil_ash

Now this is a topic worth a real discussion ... so I thank you for raising it. Also, include yourself as a resident of my 'household' - my sister in faith, in race and in humanity.

Where we all may feel outcast - we are not outcast until we have walked out of the door ourselves, knowingly. If we feel that we belong and others still say salams to us, then to differ in understanding is not the same as differing in values and core beliefs. And even then if we differ in core values and beliefs this is not the same as being insincere to Allah (SWT) and RasoolAllah (SAW) ...

I trust you are sincere to Allah (SWT) and RasoolAllah (SAW) in which case you will be rewarded for that sincerity, however it is the job of the ulema to guide us and align our understandings - that is the process of orthodoxy. And at times we should not hold fast to our values and principles without first seeing if there are higher authorities than our personal judgments on a matter. Even amongst the ulema there are differences of opinion ... but again the choice is ours to take ... the human mind is a prism it diffracts pure knowledge into different colours - and each colour will be traceable to source ... of course different circumstances demand different considerations ... I feel the rule is regarding oneself to be "strict" yet on others be very "lenient" ...

So on this basis I say that if you are knowingly **setting your own morals **instead of following the established morals in Islam then you need to ask yourself are you setting them in order to please Allah (SWT) and RasoolAllah (SAW) or yourself? And if the former then you are basically proposing an alternative understanding than other humans - be they ulema you disagree with ... if on the other hand you do so to please your own self in the sense that that is what you WANT Islam to be, then you can question yourself whether if it is fair for you to be making that choice or should you try to seek what Allah (SWT) wants it to be? In this case, I would seek from Allah (SWT) the ability to be true to His Purpose for us ... Ask Him to send you guidance ... And if you conclude that you are wrong about a matter then ... ask Him to send you contentment in the other opinion and wisdom to understand it ...

The morals set by you do not make you a non-muslim ... if you feel you can justify the position then keep your opinions ... it is better to be living as a Muslim who has faults than a person who believes they are non-Muslim. You are judged on the intentions behind your actions ... and Allah (SWT) is in full knowledge of your ability to reason, access to knowledge and how well others have tried to portray their version of the message to you ... Your concern about being a Muslim is the important bit here ...

Lastly, please bring your issues about faith in the critical areas regarding your beliefs here and we can discuss them through inshaAllah ... I can almost be sure that you will find not only that you are far from being non-Muslim but you may find a lot of agreement.

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Take a look at the term forbidding GOOD (maruf) and denouncing EVIL (munkar). Terms 'al-maruf and 'al-munkar' literally mean "known" and "unknown". As Med911 says, the core 'maruf' and 'munkar' are things that the whole humanity unanimously considers good and evil and knowledge of which is innate within our nature. Quran says;

[91:7] And the soul and Him Who made it perfect,
[91:8] Then He inspired it to understand what is right and wrong for it;

These you may call the core of the moral code that we -the humanity- recognize and follow. Having said that, if a person realizes his/her God to be the Ultimate Greatness and Ultimate Goodness then naturally for that person standards of complete perfection and morality would not be arbitrary but derived from this notion of God.

As for the differences that exist in perception and interpretions of morality then take the very question of the existence of God. All the divine scriptures of the Abrahamic faith say that the knowledge of God is innate within the man. So people do know that Ultimate Greatness (God) exists, but just as people differ on morality, but believe it exists, the same can be said about knowing about the Ultimate Being, but differing about his character. It highlights the necessity of a divine leader, taught and chosen by God, to be amongst the mankind to lead, teach and explain.

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First you have to decide who or what to follow.

Make up your mind.

Why worry about anyone else telling what is right?

Do research. Make the decision and go for it. Afterall it is your life and you are suppose to answer ALONE.

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^ I do actually do research, but I guess my interpretation out of it is different. If you guys are interested in certain things I have a different morality issue with is things like Blasphemy law, Sharia law(rape and stuff), women’s rights, and the concept of namaz in our society ( vague topic) Pardah, relationships. I guess I have a different interpretation of about everything in Islam. :bummer:

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Fine. A lot of people have differences of opinion.

All those issues have been present for a long time.

Does not mean you are going to be right in interpreting these matters.

Just do what YOU think is right.

Don’t worry about others and people should not worry about you if you run your personal life with your choice.

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It is said that there are 2 billion people in the world who 'believe' in Jesus (as). Or 1.5 billion who 'believe' in Mohammad (saww). These are obviously the commonly known facts but if you scratch the surface of these facts you will see that all of these numbers are not really the 'believers' of those messages for the adherents clearly violate what their respective faiths stand for. You have the clear example of so-called Christian leaders as the source of war and bloodshed and Muslim leaders as source of vice and corruption.

[49:14] The dwellers of the desert say: We believe. Say: You do not believe but say, "We submit"; and faith has not yet entered into your hearts; and if you obey Allah and His Messenger, He will not diminish aught of your deeds; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

The term 'belief' or 'Iman' is deeper term and an advanced stage that comes after the initial acceptance. There are many things that we accept without necessarily "believing" in them. That does not mean that we disbelieve in them it means that the evidence is preponderant enough to us that we make the choice to accept it's reality. To believe in them though, our conviction of them would have to go deeper, and require knowledge of their actually being so (as opposed to simply there being preponderant evidence weighing in their favor). To have knowledge of something, means the tranquility of the self in the face of opposing doubts.

The Kalima that one recites to enter Islam 'There is no God but Allah' is a negation followed but the acceptance. It is great that you want to test what you choose to believe. This is exactly how it should be.

Though I want you to think about a very thought provoking hadith that I always try to keep very close to me. It says "if you act upon what is known to you, then it is the promise of God to make known what is unknown to you". All the best in your research.

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Thanks Paglu, I really do hope It gets to the better of my Imaan. Sadly I just had a discussion about celebrating new year’s eve on a random fb group , and some dude private messaged me calling me kafir :frowning: See what I said yourself. Do I sound reasonable or just a rebel? I do come off a little witty I guess. :bummer: Im the girl with the name Aisha on the comments.

http://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=332034040154698&id=183065971718173&notif_t=feed_comment_reply

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I agree with your stance lil_ash. I’m a Hindu, but I don’t think celebrating non-Hindu festivals makes me a traitor. Celebrating “days” be it New Year’s, Mother’s day, Valentine’s day is an opportunity to connect with loved ones and be grateful for their presence in your life. Can’t imagine any religion classifying that as bad.

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exactly what kind of morals have you set for yourself? OP?