Structure of Islam

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What is the structure of Islam?

A Muslim born child is given to Madrisa at the age of six or seven; he has to sit there for days and months memorizing Quran. A fear for Prophet and Allah as well as superiority of Muslimhood is poured in a newborn mind. Necessity of five times Namaz a day, (not all Muslims follow it) and whenever a Muslim speaks or write the word Prophet or Allah, is bound to add PBUH, a short form if time is less for Peace be upon him that creates a continuous fear conscious. If a Muslim mind wants to revolt, rejects whatever he is compelled to accept by the Islamic society, a law of Blasphemy like a snake is waiting for him. And if he escapes the hard core society any Mullah may issue a Fatwa for his head and any Muslim can kill him as a divine job.

For all these reasons in Islam there is only entrance and no exit.
In any democratic elections in any Islamic States Mullah parties have always trailed. It seems that Muslim majority wants to get rid of an imposed religious system but for fear of Prophet supremacy dumped deep in mind, law of blasphemy and non sense fatwas many progressive Muslims cannot express themselves openly.

Whatever Quran or different Islamic books say, but the reality is that women are totally degraded in Islamic world.
This is the reason when Arab women get a chance to cross over to capitalist world the first they enter a bar, open a beer cane and enjoy disco.

A Muslim mind is not supposed to put up a question. Is it possible that a human being enjoys the audience of an angel sent by a god? It can be the very first question.
Why the angel always appeared whenever the Prophet had some political debacles?

Let the Islamic scholars prove me wrong instead of declaring me innocent, sorry, ignorant I mean!

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yawn

Hate filled thread with no purpose.

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No, I dont think I'll explain myself or the muslim belief to you. None of us owe you an explanation. If you want an answer, be respectable, be real, and without hatred.

Not even a percent of muslims go thro the 'structure' you've mentioned. I request the moderator take off the thread until you can come up with a reasonable and rational question.

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Re: Structure of Islam

First, to start off with, Islam is a way of life, not merely a religion. It does not merely tell us who to pray to, or what to follow. It gives us guidelines for actions that we take at any given time during a 24 hour period.

A Muslim born child is given to Madrisa at the age of six or seven; he has to sit there for days and months memorizing Quran.

If you are implying that every muslim child goes through that, you are wrong. Everyone has their own way of imparting Islamic education to children. Some do it through madrassas (which happens to be the urdu term for "School", and is wrongly associated with 'terrorist camps', thanks to idiots worldwide), and some do it at home. Compare it to home schooling and public schooling, as practiced in the 'civilized' world.

A fear for Prophet and Allah as well as superiority of Muslimhood is poured in a newborn mind.

Fear of Allah SWT only....not fear of Prophet. And no, there is no superiority complex instilled in muslims. The righteousness of it is instilled, no doubt, but not superiority.

and whenever a Muslim speaks or write the word Prophet or Allah, is bound to add PBUH, a short form if time is less for Peace be upon him that creates a continuous fear conscious.

Again, there is nothing to fear from the Prophet, or any other human being. The term Peace be upon him is written out of R.E.S.P.E.C.T. Find out what it means to me!

If a Muslim mind wants to revolt, rejects whatever he is compelled to accept by the Islamic society, a law of Blasphemy like a snake is waiting for him. And if he escapes the hard core society any Mullah may issue a Fatwa for his head and any Muslim can kill him as a divine job.

Compare this to mainstream governments. Like I told you above, Islam is a way of life, which includes government structures, and personal lives as well. Many governments around the world condemn people to death if they go against the government. They are commonly called traitors. And the presidents who allow these condemnations are known as 'civilized' mullahs.

For all these reasons in Islam there is only entrance and no exit.

"You are either with us, or with them"

It seems that Muslim majority wants to get rid of an imposed religious system but for fear of Prophet supremacy dumped deep in mind, law of blasphemy and non sense fatwas many progressive Muslims cannot express themselves openly.

Islam is as imposed as is any other form of government. As far as religious obligations are concerned, they are all a persons personal business, since each person is personally answerable to Allah SWT. But as far as collective obligations are concerned as a society, no doubt laws and limitations will be imposed on the public.

Whatever Quran or different Islamic books say, but the reality is that women are totally degraded in Islamic world.

So long as you know that any degradation of women in the Islamic world is NOT due to Islam, but due to their primitive and archaic tribal laws, reflections of which exist in many non-muslim countries as well...eg India.

This is the reason when Arab women get a chance to cross over to capitalist world the first they enter a bar, open a beer cane and enjoy disco.

Thats called breaking the law. That holds true for just about anyone in this world. Stepping into the forbidden is always a temptation for people, no matter where they are from.

Why the angel always appeared whenever the Prophet had some political debacles?

You would have to elaborate on that. But sure the angel appeared on occasions when the Prophet SAW needed guidance..and then the 'angel' also appeared on numerous other occassions, when the idea was to give guidelines for Muslims.

What political debacle was Prophet SAW faced with when 'the angel' appeared to give him the verses regarding zakat?

Let the Islamic scholars prove me wrong instead of declaring me innocent, sorry, ignorant I mean!

There is nothing to be proven here. Facts are facts. You either accept them, or refute them. If you refute them, you are welcome to believe anything else that you so choose. And theres no scholar here, so you will have to live with the answers of students.

It would help if you were a bit more objective, rather than so obviously hell bent on trying to 'prove' Islam wrong.

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Anand

I see that the Jinn has once again taken over your mind, body and soul!

Don't you ever get enough of your Anti Islamic 'parrot like repetative barks'!

Since I've been on this Forum, nothing and I mean absolutely nothing constructive comes out of your god forsaken gob!

At least have the decency to spare us of your intellect.

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Brother Akif

Jazak-Allah :) You have explained it everything right!

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dont make me count the number of muslim women who drink beer and the number of hindu women who do that....

u, in ur religion and culture, dont even have anything that u can compare to Islam and its virtues....
but then again, what do u expect from ppl who carve statues from their own hands and expect them to turn into gods....

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Dear Akif, thanks for your reply!

For your information I do not see any difference in your analyzes to what I have said.

Law of Blesphemy of Islamic societies is like law for traitors as in other civilized world? I do not say that you are ignorant. You are just cheating, rather appeasing yourself. Can a sensible person accept such non sense? Pls find out some official comparison to the Islamic law of stoning women to death! You do not astonish me.
And you have deliberately ignored what Quran following may have impact on mind, especially on a newborn mind.

Rgds

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Anand

Brother Akif was more than generous in responding to your 'Islamaphobic Fatal Attraction'. Akif being a Mod, more than likely knows your possessive history, but still took pity on you.

I on the other hand will not and am now exposing your 'muleness'.

Here is a list of your Islamic fetishes that you have posted over the past months, but still fail to understand:

  1. Muslim burning Hindus, if it is a clue to Gujrat riots, let us accept that some more such killings and there will be no difference left between any Islamic State and India.
    This is a real degradation.

  2. In Islam there is only entrance and no exit.
    I am sure that Allah depicted by you is almighty and must be able to take care of a rebel. But instead you people provoke law of blasphemy if some one decides for exit. Why?
    I tell you that in any hard core sect there is only entrance and no exit and a total blind faith is expected. Rebels are punished or killed.

I agree that woman is degraded in any community, especially in Asia, Africa. In Hindus they have an upper place only in religious books, not in practical.
But officially, I repeat, officially they are degraded only in Islamic societies. Am I wrong?

You have a very little knowledge of a Madrisa impact on mind.

  1. ........The main pillars of Islam, that is Madrisa system and the Islamic State have given this religion a structure of hard core sect.

Why in Islam there is only entrance and no exit? Can we discuss?

  1. ....I always stress on psycho analyses study of Islam.
    Islam starts from Madrisa.
    There are verses in Quran say that there is no God other than Allah and Prophet is his only massager.
    The journey of a Muslim child in a Madrisa starts with these words and what is the result when these words are deep there in mind, a grown up fanatic, can he accept the other people who do not believe in Islam?
    There are many such phenomenon if a Muslim child is not taught in Madrisa, I am sure he will be a good grown up gentle man.
    Yes, not all from Madrisa become fanatics, though possibilities are greater.

  2. Do you have courage to condemn the Sharyat laws? Do you accept the stoning of women to death? Is a beard and burqa culture very progressive?
    Can a Muslim think independently when he is afraid of the Law of Blasphemy?

  3. You must study the structure of some sect, of some satanic sect, analyze the pattern. There are many in Canada, States and Europe, usually lead by some Asiatic so called guru. Pls find out how the supremacy of the teacher in the sect is imposed and implemented, how the mind is imprisoned, how a fear conscious is created and an entertaining life is promised in some other world and most of all the pupils are not left with any way to go out.
    And just compare all to your beloved religion.
    Let us see if you find any similarity!

  4. Ideology of Islam has a benefit of jumping from religion to politics and vice versa.
    The article given above is good example of politics mingled on the name of religion.
    People must not only be afraid of Islamaphobia, but must openly question this ideology when it appears in the form of a killing jihadi squad.

What are the positive aspects of Islam? Why a religion is afraid when negative aspects are exposed?
Shall the world community close eyes when women are stoned to death or foolish fatwas are issued?
It seems that followers of Islam have no way to get rid of complexes.

  1. There is a difference. Hindus know how to avoid a provocation. Because they have not gone thru a madrisa type of schooling. Do you notice when they talk openly of many nonsense involved in so called hindu religion and society? You know why? Because, Hindus are not afraid of any kind of law of blasphemy. An atheist Hindu remains a Hindu. No one can threaten him. Hindus do not accuse you people of ignorance or urge you to learn Gita or Vedanta.

Just compare it to a Madrisa stereotyped Muslim. His mind is filled of all nonsense and he cannot compromise.

Authors of quran were masters of science, but were very poor in geography, no madrisa is prepared to answer this very simple question. Why two Muslim parties declare a bloody Jihad against each other, madrisa has no answer.
Yes, the questioner is accused of ignorance.

etc etc etc etc etc.

I'm sure you can now get the drift of your posts.

A wise old man once said that 'the difference between humans and animals is that humans usually understand after being told once'!

One word comes to mind. DONKEY!!!

See Ya!

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Originally posted by anand: *
**Law of Blesphemy of Islamic societies is like law for traitors as in other civilized world? I do not say that you are ignorant. You are just cheating, rather appeasing yourself. Can a sensible person accept such non sense?*

I was not comparing the two. Merely trying to show you how easy it is for you to accept laws of the 'civilized' world, and how crooked Islamic laws seem to you. Its abundantly clear that your motive is not to learn, but to hurl mud on Islam, and in effect, no explanation would suffice, regardless of how much sense it made.

Pls find out some official comparison to the Islamic law of stoning women to death! You do not astonish me.

The punishment fits the crime. Now if you are talking about stoning an innocent person, thats wrong any which way you look at it. But Islamic law has strict guidelines about adultery, pre-marital sex and rape. You have the right to disagree with them.
That these laws do is provide justified punishment. Now if some judge or 'mullah' misuses a law, that does not implicate Islam in anyway. Just because a Muslim commits a sin doesnt mean Islam has driven him to it.

And you have deliberately ignored what Quran following may have impact on mind, especially on a newborn mind.

No I did not ignore anything. Of course Quran has a massive impact on a newborns mind. Quran also has a huge impact on the minds of adults. Take a look at how many people in the west have converted to Islam post Sept 11, or even before that. Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world. For the centuries gone by, folks like you use the argument that Muslim rulers used the sword to convert people. What argument do you have now? The hundreds of thousands of people converting to Islam on a daily basis in countries like the US and UK are not being held at gunpoint. So if an adults mind can be independently affected in a positive way, whats wrong with a newborn?

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**Take a look at how many people in the west have converted to Islam post Sept 11, or even before that.*
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Al-hamdulillah, i have personally seen five conversions to Islam post-9/11 by mature, respectable individuals, that took place at gatherings I happened to be attending. I know of at least two others through friends of mine. I'm sure this is just a drop in the ocean.

And Allah is the One Who grants success.

Iqbal

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*Originally posted by anand: *
For your information I do not see any difference in your analyzes to what I have said.

Law of Blesphemy of Islamic societies is like law for traitors as in other civilized world? I do not say that you are ignorant. You are just cheating, rather appeasing yourself. Can a sensible person accept such non sense?
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Anand
You are saying punishment for treason (against your own country) is acceptable but punishment for committing treason against God of Universe is unacceptable?

Think….

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Anand
You are saying punishment for treason (against your own country) is acceptable but punishment for committing treason against God of Universe is unacceptable?

Think….
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The analogy is inaccurate. Treason against one's country is only when the country is at war, and the person involved is actively involved in working against the country. Apostacy is renouncing one's faith, with no intention of hurting or working against "Hizb Allah", and the apostate is not on the frontlines of a war against the kufr. If Quran says that apostacy is a crime to be punished severely, then that should be sufficient reason. Trying to give anaologies to secular principles might be falling into the trap of trying to justify Allah's commands within secular principles.

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OldLahori
Take the example of apostasy.

Someone who claimed Prophethood in Dar-ul-Islam(land Govern by Islamic law). This 'Prophet' summons people to his teachings.

In Past, I believe many false prophets have been deal with either execution or imprisonment for this 'apostasy'. Do you say, "The person involved is NOT actively involved in working against the religion Al-Islam"?

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Dear Akif, nice to see that this time there are no excuses or reasons.

I do not go in deep what is civilized or uncivilized. No society has a right to kill a woman by stoning. Even if she is a prostitute, is engaged in extra normal sex or however guilty she is. We have right to condemn any such religious book that makes the people and State uncivilized.

And the law of Blasphemy, it is something entirely against freedom.
Allah must have been able to deal with rebels. Why this almighty left it with the people to deal with?

Madrisas are not giving any type of arms training. For centuries they have been preparing a typical mind, in most cases a violent mind. That is what we question.

Islam is fast growing religion. I do not argue. Though how much this fast growth depend on birth rate, and in West it depends on migration rate, this we can argue.
Just for your assessment, can you tell me that mass conversions were very common till the end of 19th century or continued till half of 20th century, are no more common now. Why?

Thanks that you do not label me ignorant. I do not accept what you think is a learning of your kind. I prefer freedom and a civilized society.

With best rgds

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OldLahori
Take the example of apostasy.

Someone who claimed Prophethood in Dar-ul-Islam(land Govern by Islamic law). This 'Prophet' summons people to his teachings.

In Past, I believe many false prophets have been deal with either execution or imprisonment for this 'apostasy'. Do you say, "The person involved is NOT actively involved in working against the religion Al-Islam"?
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Then an apostate that does not claim prophethood, or preach is definately not actively involved in working against the religion Al-Islam.
Why should that person not have the freedom to become an apostate in Dar-ul-islam?

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Originally posted by anand: *I do not go in deep what is civilized or uncivilized. No society has a right to kill a woman by stoning. Even if she is a prostitute, is engaged in extra normal sex or however guilty she is. We have right to condemn any such religious book that makes the people and State uncivilized.*

Islam has laws regarding immoral sexual behavior. When applied fairly, the way they are meant to be, then these laws not only punish a person for committing a sin, they also deter such behavior in anyone else who may be leaning towards it. This process is known as reformation of society, which is supposed to be the primary purpose of punishing someone.

And the law of Blasphemy, it is something entirely against freedom.
Allah must have been able to deal with rebels. Why this almighty left it with the people to deal with?

For that matter Allah SWT is able to deal with any and everyone. He has effectively given us humans a choice of lifestyle. Islam opposes blasphemy against any other religion, as it does against Islam. The rules are the same across the board. Its people who distort and manipulate those laws for their own selfish gains. You need to be clear on whether you are pointing out the flaws of Muslims of today, or are you simply picking on Islam (which seems to be the case here)

Madrisas are not giving any type of arms training. For centuries they have been preparing a typical mind, in most cases a violent mind. That is what we question.

Madrassas are schools that impart Islamic education. Your analysis is based on stuff you read in biased media sources. My information is first hand. Im assuming you have never seen a madrassah, or ever been in one.

Islam is fast growing religion. I do not argue. Though how much this fast growth depend on birth rate, and in West it depends on migration rate, this we can argue.

The birth rate of many muslim countries may be higher than many non-muslim countries. As far as the west is concerned, its the converts who make up for the chunk of the growth.
The population explosion argument doesnt make sense anyway, since birth and death rates go hand in hand. And besides, if birth rate was a factor, hinduism and communism would be the fastest growing groups in the world.

Just for your assessment, can you tell me that mass conversions were very common till the end of 19th century or continued till half of 20th century, are no more common now. Why?

They still happen. Problem is you have never been to a mosque, and have never seen people independently come to Islam on their own.

Thanks that you do not label me ignorant. I do not accept what you think is a learning of your kind. I prefer freedom and a civilized society.

I consider myself free and civilized...and I consider Islamic laws to be a recipe for a perfect society.

Before going further, please specify any genuine questions or concerns that you have. Most of your arguments seem to be slights against Islam, arising out of your personal hatred for it.

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Then an apostate that does not claim prophethood, or preach is definately not actively involved in working against the religion Al-Islam.
Why should that person not have the freedom to become an apostate in Dar-ul-islam?
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I'm not aware of all the rulings in detail but I have read about people being punish who commit apostasy and go against the religion.

Someone who apostate 'quietly' and if you cant really prove him guilty in court then not much can be done about that...isn’t it? You need strong evidence.

Well ...in Islam you don’t have the freedom to rob a bank, commit fornication/adultery, murder a person, apostate and ...etc

As for why..Just look at why adultery is not allowed. Why should community care if 2 sane adults want to commit adultery?

This thing matters a lot in Islamic Community.

There is an ayah in the book that goes something like these 'When Allah and Prophet has decide something for you, then you have no say over this matter'

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*Originally posted by google: *

I'm not aware of all the rulings in detail but I have read about people being punish who commit apostasy and go against the religion.

Someone who apostate 'quietly' and if you cant really prove him guilty in court then not much can be done about that...isn’t it? You need strong evidence.

Well ...in Islam you don’t have the freedom to rob a bank, commit fornication/adultery, murder a person, apostate and ...etc

As for why..Just look at why adultery is not allowed. Why should community care if 2 sane adults want to commit adultery?

This thing matters a lot in Islamic Community.

There is an ayah in the book that goes something like these 'When Allah and Prophet has decide something for you, then you have no say over this matter'
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An honest apostate would be who does not preach but when asked might reply truthfully that he no longer beleives in Islam. As far as I under stand such a person has not been tolerated in muslim countries, and hence there is a lot 'fudging' in those countries. When they sin, or go against the teachings of Islam consistently and repeatedly, they will still call themselves muslims. Anyone who criticises runs the risk of being labelled a mullha etc. The main point is as you say: There is an ayah in the book that goes something like these 'When Allah and Prophet has decide something for you, then you have no say over this matter' . After that there is little need to reconcile with secular concept of treason or whatever else.

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*Originally posted by OldLahori: *

An honest apostate would be who does not preach but when asked might reply truthfully that he no longer beleives in Islam. As far as I under stand such a person has not been tolerated in muslim countries, and hence there is a lot 'fudging' in those countries. When they sin, or go against the teachings of Islam consistently and repeatedly, they will still call themselves muslims. Anyone who criticises runs the risk of being labelled a mullha etc. The main point is as you say: There is an ayah in the book that goes something like these 'When Allah and Prophet has decide something for you, then you have no say over this matter' . After that there is little need to reconcile with secular concept of treason or whatever else.
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I am not aware of any law that punishes people for what is inside their heart.

Secularism and treason - a new concept for those who might/might not believe in God. Apostate encompasses more than that.

When someone submits then it is irrevocable.