Stigmata

[lazy_daisy]

Re: Stigmata

@Iconoclast

Psychological reasons for wounds…that does NOT happen …period

Next time u come across someone who has stigmata call some Forensic people they’ll find out the scientific explanation for you…opinion of a freak catholic doc is not counted as ‘scientific’

i have never come across anyone with stigmata wounds, but if I do I will bear your advice in mind.

[STONECOLD]

Re: Stigmata

Judas!!!!

[KARAKUSH]

Re: Stigmata

@Code_Red

I got it now

I started to believe the the wrist part but it can’t be this way !

If you nail someone through wrist it will cause instant death ( cutting one’s wrist is a common suicide method) due to main blood vein is there. pulse right?

Also in the pashion of Christ they nail him through palm and then tie with ropes so bodly weight is supported by ropes.

Anyway, I also read somewhere that in some church there was a statue which used to shed tears of blood on some occasions : konfused:

Has Anyone seen the movie "The body " ?

pulse is actually the wave of blood propelled by the contraction of heart, its not the vein.

[KARAKUSH]

Re: Stigmata

@Code_Red

Bieng a catholic, do you believe in stigmata ? Considering the the fact the there were fake claims in the past. But on the record, there are quite a few genuine claims too.

Being Non-catholic (and non Christian) will you believe that a person can have these wounds miraculously ?

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*Stigmata *(plural of stigma) are wounds that were, according to the Bible, inflicted on Jesus during his crucifixion. There have been many reports of other individuals who display similar wounds, the causes of which have been subject to considerable debate. Some contend that stigmata are miraculous, others argue they are hoaxes or can be explained medically

No one has ever claimed that imagination could produce wounds in a normal subject; it is true that this faculty can act slightly on the body, as Benedict XIV said, it may accelerate or retard the nerve-currents, but there is no instance of its action on the tissues (De canoniz., III, xxxiii, n. 31). But with regard to persons in an abnormal condition, such as ecstasy or hypnosis, the question is more difficult; and, despite numerous attempts, hypnotism has not produced very clear results. At most, and in exceedingly rare cases, it has induced exudations or a sweat more or less coloured, but this is a very imperfect imitation. Moreover, no explanation has been offered of three circumstances presented by the stigmata of the saints:

*1. Physicians do not succeed in curing these wounds with remedies. *

*2. On the other hand, unlike natural wounds of a certain duration, those of stigmatics do not give forth a fetid odour. To this there is known but one exception: St. Rita of Cassia had received on her brow a supernatural wound produced by a thorn detached from the crown of the crucifix. Though this emitted an unbearable odour, there was never any suppuration or morbid alteration of the tissues. *

3. Sometimes these wounds give forth perfumes, for example those of Juana of the Cross, Franciscan prioress of Toledo, and Bl. Lucy of Narni.

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It will not be very difficult for me to accept these paranormal wounds as genuine if they are ...

In drug trials half the patients are given placebos yet quite a few of them report beneficial effects of the sugar tablets. Mind over matter i suppose. But here i run into a paradox.

I can acept the occurence of stigmata due to, for instance, love for Christ.
However as a Muslim i believe that it wasn't Christ but the companion who betrayed him. So how can it be that the person who has stigmata be nominated for a saint. I am assuming if the stigmata is genuine then the person can be nominated as a saint? Its confusing lol.