Re: Stephen Hawking: God NOT Needed For Creation
It almost sound like an argument towards the existence of God.
a sadistic one that is..
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Nik hawking is honest man doing his job.. he says what he finds out...
Its the ppl who have trouble believe that his word is NOT word of GOD!!
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$28.00 for that book 
.. that guy is one greedy atheist :
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So by his genius mind he wants us to believe that…the Mechanical Contraption he sits on and the computer he uses to express himself with all came together by accident…Right?.
What a Genius Mind…:k:
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.the Mechanical Contraption he sits on and the computer he uses to express himself with all came together by accident.............Right?.
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Huh !! you believe some farishta or hanumanji brought it out of heavens and gifted it to Hawking ? It was designed by scientists not a gift from God.
Do most of the people here believe that atheists/agnostics are mentally imbalanced/unstable ?
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You can be the biggest genius in matters pertaining to the physical world, but it does not mean that you have any spiritual intellegence.
The criteria to divorce emotion and subjective experience from scientific findings is like us trying to find the door of the swimming pool complex by swimming round the round the swimming pool. We'll go round it many times and will do so with ingenius precision, but we will have to conclude that the swimming pool has no doors. Only when we step out of the swimming pool will we realise that we were wrong.
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either that, or one could be of blind faith, and pooh-pooh those who need proof before they believe. i'd put my money on the guy swimming in circles trying to find a glimpse of a door, than on someone who believes there are doors of gold leading to lands of milk and honey because it makes him feel warm and fuzzy inside, but can offer no real proof of the existence of any of it.
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Completely agree :k:
Science without spirituality or morality leads to horrors like the ones practiced by Nazi scientists. Indeed religion is one of the path that leads to spiritual knowledge.
However religion itself is not synonymous with morality or spirituality. One can be a spiritual individual and have morals without subscribing to any religious belief. I have met a lot of religious people who religiously follow the dogma but have no appreciation for the spiritual essence of their religion. Similarly, there are agnostics who are completely in sync with their spiritual being The most famous agnostic is of course Buddha.
LoL. Nicely put. 
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either that, or one could be of blind faith, and pooh-pooh those who need proof before they believe. i'd put my money on the guy swimming in circles trying to find a glimpse of a door, than on someone who believes there are doors of gold leading to lands of milk and honey because it makes him feel warm and fuzzy inside, but can offer no real proof of the existence of any of it.
The problem is that there are far more things that we don't know about but place our belief in than the things we know about and trust in after we know about them. Just because Hawkings Mathematics works it does not mean it is right, to assert that it is 'correct' you need to have placed belief in the ability of the mathematician, in his ability to use the mathematics and in turn a belief in mathematics as a tool to explain 'truth' in every circumstance.
I can prove to you there are far more things that we take as fact without objective evidence or requiring it than what we don't take without objective evidence. Your statement of trusting him is exactly that - a belief. Even he can't prove that he is not placing a belief in what he says. However, for us we already say that we believe and we don't need to demonstrate that relying on pure objective evidence is not only impossible but absurd.
Your response about the person trying to find a glimpse of a door also demonstrates that you did not understand my analogy. The one in the swimming pool will be the one who says there is no door because he has perfectly scanned the pool and has seen nothing. Likewise scientists are trying to find evidence of God when God according to religion (at least in Islam) tells us that He is Hidden. The Unseen concept applies only to the five sensory aspects, but we do have access to God from other areas that scientists won't use or are unable to use.
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well that is convenient. God can't be found because he has told us He is Hidden.
take that, Hawkings and Mathematics. in your face hah!
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God made the computer?
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Likewise scientists are trying to find evidence of God when God according to religion (at least in Islam) tells us that He is Hidden. The Unseen concept applies only to the five sensory aspects, but we do have access to God from other areas that scientists won't use or are unable to use.
what other areas?
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OK ok you cheap people, go and buy that book and read it so we can discuss. I am on page 32 right now. So far, he is holding his argument well but with couple of flaws. We can discuss in detail when you guys read
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Is it possible To Find God Using Science Or Not? Worldwide Thinkers always on the odds whether God exists or not !!
*لَكُمْ دِينُكُمْ وَلِيَ دِينِ *
To you be your Way, and to me mine.
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Do most of the people here believe that atheists/agnostics are mentally imbalanced/unstable ?
Yes as much as atheists/agnostics believe that those who believe in unforeseen and and unproven God are mentally imbalance/unstable.
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God made the computer?
Well someone did, no?
Do you think you'd ever get a working computer If you let all of it's components lie around in the corner of your room? You might want to try that out and tell me the results. Please keep me uptodate.
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I just feel so bad for the athiests in general...
It only takes another theory to disapprove of the former, and puff their beliefs with it.
You live a whole life thinking, believeing and preaching something that by the end of ur lifetime is gruelly discredeted by some other discovery or as such, and it goes on and on.
Those who boast they are living in enlightement and fact anf figures and truth... poor ol' sods. A million things will always be beyond human reach and grasp, always and forever. Period!
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I wonder what they say when they feel astonished (the times when we low life brainless say O my God) …
ummm, O my computer, O my nothingness, O my Angelina Jolie!! 
Re: Stephen Hawking: God NOT Needed For Creation
well that is convenient. God can't be found because he has told us He is Hidden.
take that, Hawkings and Mathematics. in your face hah!
Peace queer
For something to be convenient (be it patronisingly or otherwise) is not proof against it, rather convenience or simplicity in scientific theories are grounds for stronger arguments. Convenience is a factor towards measuring the 'truth' of a matter. Accordingly complexity is quite the reverse.
None of the theories by scientists who claim to have cracked the big question are simple or pragmatic. However, one should not explain away such a gem of a statement that "God is Hidden" in a few words as you have done, because this simple, 'convenient' term is potent and loaded with insight beyond amazing. Firstly, you need to realise I'm only joining the dots, this term "Ghaib" or "hidden" was there from the beginning it appears in the Old Testament predating the Holy Qur'an.
People may have known what it meant to them, but to us we can see what it means in context to science and modern technology. Assocaited to the concept of "ghaib" is the concept of this world being created in "deception" that we believe that it is a cause-effect universe such that one cause will create the effect. We can ignore the idea of a Creator or Sustainer who REALLY makes things happen, because our existence makes it appear as though we make things move when we push them. We are unable to SEE - the real force behind the act - hence "hidden". This comes from belief not science. Another concept of religion is the idea of CREATION and the Creator. We distinguish between Him and His Creation, we say that the only Being Who can Create anything real is God, whereas we have been given the ability to create unreal things such as 'thoughts' or 'concepts'. But real things are created by God, that means by proxy they "come from nothing" It is fundamental belief in Islam that God made life and the universe from NOTHING.
Amazing how Hawkings deduces the same thing, i.e. that the universe came from nothing. It would certainly fail religion if he found God somehow attached to the equations at the beginning of the universe. That would infer the universe has been extracted from God, which infers everything simply changes form- the new lingo on the street of science is that the UNIVERSE WAS CREATED - read his book TLK might lend it to you - he uses the word 'created' because it comes literally from nothing.
For something to come from nothing - however, does not mean it does not NEED God. This is the fallacy of the scientific argument. We certainly hold that the universe came from nothing, but at the same time we never arrogate that nothingness to be the master of affairs.
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I just feel so bad for the athiests in general... It only takes another theory to disapprove of the former, and puff their beliefs with it. You live a whole life thinking, believeing and preaching something that by the end of ur lifetime is gruelly discredeted by some other discovery or as such, and it goes on and on. Those who boast they are living in enlightement and fact anf figures and truth... poor ol' sods. A million things will always be beyond human reach and grasp, always and forever. Period!
No need to feel sorry for us. Atleast we don't live every day in guilt and sins like most theists do. yes many things are beyond human grasps and unfortunately, religion doesn't give us an answer either. your religous scriptures is not an encyclopedia. We have to use our brains to find the truth behind everything, not some fairy tales that were developed thousands of years ago.