Steeped in ancient mysticism, passion of Pakistani Sufis infuriates Taliban

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I know what happens on mazars, I don't condone that but I won't call those doing that as kafirs either. It's for Allah to decide who is a Muslim or not. If Sufism is in danger due to these practises so be it, let it die that way. The attacks on Sufi shrines cannot be seen in isolation, the same people are attacking Shias and minorities.

If I don't align myself with what is practised in shrines I don't align myself with those self righteous people too who have taken into their hands to bring all the lost people to the right path by force. I am talking as a person who has not been raised into any particular sect, people used to call my father as a Wahhabi. But if Wahhabism is all about intolerance like we are seeing in Pakistan and the neighboring countries I am not a Wahhabi.

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I don't think that there is an active penetration of TTP or like groups in rural Sindh where these shrines are situated. There are mazaraat doing urs including huge gathering on Urs of Shah Latif, Qalandar Shahbaz, Sachal Sarmat, etc. They are doing what they used to do on Urs 5-6 decades ago. There are no brochures and slogans against these people. No one stops them to do all this.The situation in Karachi may be more alarming as the city is surrounded by so many conflicts.

As far as takfeer is concerned, no sect is doodh main dhula. Shia calls sunnis kafir, sunni calls shia Kafir.

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whoever criticize america is taliban supporter in the eyes of secularists.
i discussed war crimes of secular America because Shamraz being a secularist was blaming religion generally and pretending that secularists or la-deen are peaceful.

no i would not bother then but if someone makes it part of Islam then it should be countered by logic.

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Read the OP, the extremists have made inroads in sukkur and other places. I personally think this is the extension of their presence in southern Punjab. They the targeting soft areas where there is abject poverty and easier to convince the parents to give their kids to the madrasah where at least their food and clothes would be looked after.

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Here we go about talebanization of Sindh, at the moment its on the stage of 2008/09 when there was a debate about talebanization of Karachi and now we can see with our eyes. The government can try to control this menace before it becomes uncontrollable.

Nationalists decry rising extremism in Sindh - thenews.com.pk

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So why KSA was not bombed??? :confused:

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:biggthumb:

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Good question…and I often wonder that, too. If there is a country that deserves drone strikes its Saudi Arabia. Could it be that they are playing both sides?

BBC News - CIA operating drone base in Saudi Arabia, US media reveal

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Saudi subsidised fuel to US

Although 15 hijackers were Saudis, the masterminds of the attack namely Al-Qaeda terrorists were based in Afghanistan

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Simple.... Saudi's spend on creating terrorism....providing cause for amreeka to wage war all around...... make money for the corporations...

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I wonder why KSA has turned out as land of 'fitna'? As far I know when King Faisal was king of SA, SA was truly representing a Islamic state.

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Well, playing both sides doesn’t even cut it right. According to what you posted if true they still have overwhelming reason to be bombed. But they are not.

Either their role in terrorism is made up or they are being protected for ‘unknown’ reasons. :wink:

Are you saying USA made a deal with KSA not to bomb it, knowing that so called ‘world terrorism hub’ is KSA? Seriously?

Sorry, not really a good or complete answer. You did not mention Iraq.

Now now! You are just being a conspiracy theorist. :snooty:

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On the topic, it is absolutely wrong to attack these places and one more proof that security structure is at fault not to contain the criminals.

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The answer was there in the article that you quoted. Besides by the time of attack on the US, alqaeda was in Afghanistan. As far as bombing Saudia is concerned it’s not an easy thing as the whole Muslim world will erupt. Every one knows the role of Saudia in formenting sectarianism in Islamic countries but they will be taken down last in the ongoing war when the other countries have been neutralized. Saudi Arabia is just acting as a pawn in this American game

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:hmmm:

You also avoided talking about Iraq. No connection to 911, no WMD and no verifiable connection to the “terror group”.

The article merely talks about a ‘charge sheet’ without any proof and carefully used word “unconfirmed” when talks about royal family.

There is nothing wrong if someone wants to follow strict religious life and that again is debatable what being strict means.

The generalized hatred against these people is uncalled for. They maybe doing something which others call being too rigid but so what?
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Only thing which should be considered wrong is when anyone does a criminal act.**

And those people need to be caught instead of blaming a certain country or group of people through writing ‘long articles’ and mere ‘reports’ or ‘speculations’.

Enough of that making people fool and create hate.

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The term salafi (or wahaabi )is being made synonymous with terrorism..:smack:

And the term ‘salafi jihadism’ was brought by someone named Gilles Keppel.

Yeah right! Everyone is ‘champion’ on Islam and Muslim these days to make up anything the person wishes…and can demand action.

Salafist jihadism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And then the term Salafi Movement.

Please read here such a contradictory thought process here.

First it is said salafis follow strict religious lives…whatever that means.

Then it talks about they believe in killing civillians. Must be group of monsters who only believe in killing civilians.

They just sit is their caves and holes just planning to kill…and that guy Abdul Wahab told every of his follower to go do that. :hehe:

And then yet again this site talks about but the leading Salafis have ‘condemned’ the attacks.
As if they don’t want to, but in reality they want civilians to be killed. Really?

Salafi movement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Sufi followers, salafis, wahabis shia any other faction of Islam followers are all fine. ..if that is what they want to follow.

Time to get off the this blaming a certain group for secondary gain and work against actual criminals. And make security of people number one priority.

Instead of lack of the law and order which these criminals get the benefit from, people keep blaming each other.

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They are not playing both sides, may be “paying” both sides, as long as both parties are receiving payments they will play the game, as soon as payments are not received all hell will break lose on Saudi Arabia.

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It wouldn’t have mattered honestly, if OBL had moved to Kenya, Somalia or anywhere else US would still have invaded Afghanistan “oh, when 9/11 was planned OBL was in Afghanistan” :hehe: . Read threats/news of June/July of 2001. Afghanistan even offered to handover AlQaida/OBL but US refused.

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It doesn’t concern me If someone wants to lead a strict life, it does make a problem through when that life is forced on others. The hatred against ‘salafist jehadists’ is due to their deeds, do they really expect garlands after careless blood letting.

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Where do you get these weird ideas from Saleem bhai? Just curious.

“Dogs of Hell” was a horror movie (1982) and ironically in the movie, the dogs were trained by US military which attacked a peaceful community.